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[Anonymous]

The whole Industry, especially cedu is in the stone age. The proverbial stone age is equivelent to the 60 human potential movement EST, Lifespring, Synanon run without guidence from mental health professionsls who respect the human rights and dignity of the kids and families they serve. The closed system mentality is kin to scientology i.e. we are the way, the truth, and you will be our robot. What we say is right and you must follow - never lead, dialouge, complain or ask for change and you wil suffer the consequences - Isolation and removal of your right to see, communicate with and , yes, Love your family. Staff are the most brainwashed. Cedu is bringing in clinicians and therapists and PRETENDING that they have a voice. They do not. They are a TOKEN. Fight for your right to open communication, open visits, and never go to a Cedu transition program. Cedu, in general is designed to regress children and families so they can suck as much money as possible out of the powerless trusting infant within us all. They have the opportunity to do good work, but they choose instead control and tyranny over empowerment. Kids Die because they are not allowed a voice.

[Anonymous]

:evil: Sad but true, not only the students in which whom are a part of the emoitional grownth programs (not with professional personal), the employees also are brainwashed into thinking that they are helping others while the company continues to take advantage of their knowledge.

Signed,
Unknown

[RMAGrad]

I am a graduate of Rocky Mountain Academy, one of the Cedu schools. Nearly 10 years after graduation, I continue to credit the school with saving my life and with providing me the training to build a meaningful and satisfying life.

[Aqua Fortis]

I had never heard of RMA before. I think most of the past participants of Synanon based programs have spread out in society, some worse off, some still going strong. I think many other past participants have died as a result of their treatment. Mind control is a very dangerous thing to introduce to kids, and anybody.

Aqua Fortis

[anne]

:skull: Sutdents are abused at schools like CEDU and it Musted be stopped please help me to stop this. my email address is   [email protected]    if you are an ex-inmate andwant this abuse stopped Please contact me.

[Anonymous]

:scared:  There is really no way to shut these places down in Idaho. I have contacted everyone from CPS to the Residential Treatmen Center Licensing authority in Boise Idaho that inspects These facilities. Boulder Creek Academy and RMA and NWA - all of the CEDU and Brown Schools drug 85 percent of the teens with various psychotropics to keep them compliant while they undergo psychological games and double-binds, verbal abuse, shunning, peer abuse by putting children in charge of children. Their schools settled out of court for killing a child in a restraint. They put a kid on a work assignment and broke his arm fighting him, an escort hired by RMA was charged with drugging and raping a girl. There was a riot at Northwest Academy -  many were hurt. CPS found that it was triggered by unfair and harsh conditions imposed on children. Now Boulder Creek Academy and all the others have therapists. I found out first hand that the staff listenes through doors to clinical sessions. They deliberately keep ethical standards out of reach and hidden from the staff - but the inspectors see them. The workshops require sleep deprivation and "therapy' by people with no credentials or even college education, involving thigs like yelling names kids were called and literally having staff pretend they are having sex on kids while saying they like it. Kids go into PTSD episodes and then are punished for "acting out" with weeks of forced isolation and doing writing assignments that are turned down as not good enough until the kid is about to break. Hospitalizations from "breaks" are common at BCA - And BCA is being used as a cheaper alternitive to the mental hospital - hell is a substitute for medical treatmen now. So bullied kids are often pared with sociopaths and the dorms harbor secret nightly terrorizing and humiliation for the more sensitive children. This is the tip of the iceberg from me - a staff who was around this place for 20 years trying to change it. It will never change until the state Idaho)is sued or somehow held accountable for total neglegence. An RMA child hung himself in his dorm - Why didn't they listen to him. Because they were too busy yelling fuck you - Yes, This is the "Therapy" I saw around that time. Get after Jim Puitt at the State licensing board in Boise Idaho - I guarentee,he and health and welfare will do nothing - even though they heard about it all and were there for the riots. The Attorney General wouldn't even talk about it - Neither would the Govenor. Idaho is not Famous for Potatoes it is famous for protecting backward ideas and backward businesses and keeping them deregulated - free to torture.
 :wave:

[Roy]

Dear RMA Grad,
You should be proud of that accomplishment. The few who make it should be congratulated. I would not, ever, attempt to take away the work you have done. I would simply say, don't credit them with saving your life. YOU DID IT. Most kids that I have followed weren't so empowered. When there, I saw a few remarkable successes like you, and I admired them so much. But' when push came to shove, it was them, their resiliency, their power, their tenacity and their work independent of program that did it. The research proves this see http://www.talkingcure.com
for the results of 40 years of university research on what works in therapy and with various populations. They even have a section on "what works with teens." The researh showa that most kids get worse from programs and camps. I could credit scientology and other cults with my rescue. In the end, many years later, I reflect back and realise that they just provided a warped belief system for me to adopt and live by. While I was there, I grew up and chose other options than substances and risky behavior. Finding a career or going to college or getting married or having a child is usually what gave us purpose and the incentive to change. For some, me included, cults pulled us out of reality long enough for us to grow up. But this is because I entered voluntarily. The research shows success is most often related to voluntary participation. Please validate yourself. But remember those who never "buy in" can end up back on drugs, hanging from a rope, dead in a car or just wandering with no direction, waiting for that tray of food that never comes. I saw 3 recent grads in rags, hungry without work, smoking a bong in a cold old building, I saw another on a city street corner holding a sign "hard times, anything will help." Three are dead one hung himself, two others died in a car. You did your work and grew in spite of them - You probably had one or two good staff mentors - they do exist. I am happy for you, and kids I saw who did the same, but don't forget those who have fallen. I hope, in the future, we see more like you who were empowered rather than torn down.

[Antigen]

What a great site, Roy. Thanks for pointing it out.

Woops! Found a bug.

"Alcohol Treatment Works (and saves money too)!

You think the field would be beyond the basics by this point in history. And yet, the fundamentals continue to be debated.  Most notoriously, does treatment work?  Well, Holder, Cisler, Longabaugh, Stout, Treno, and Zweben (2000) reported 3 year follow up results on Porject MATCH--the most sophisticated study to date on treating problem drinkers.  You will recall, in this study, researchers tried to match client characteristics to treatment modalities.  The bad news is that it didn't work--the matching that is.  The good news is that all treatments worked about equally well.  Moreover, in this study, the authors report that at 3 years, all three approaches studied (CBT, 12-step, and MET) resulted in substantial reductions in medical costs!"
http://www.talkingcure.com/archive/substancearchive.htm

Yes, technically true. All methods worked equally well. Omitted from the press releases, though, was that all methods included in the study worked equally as well as NO treatment whatsoever, and sometimes not even that good!

See http://www.peele.net/lib/projmach.html

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin

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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[Roy]

:smile: Good stuff. Thanks for pointing that out. It sure doesn't surprise me.
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[Roy]

"Strength and Beauty Come From Us, Not From Tyranny."

Words seen on a fountain in downtown Portland
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[Roy]

The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology says people would do better in outpatient treatment for Drug/ Alch ABUSE /ADDICTION

What's the Difference in Outcome between Residential and Day Treatment?  NOT Much!
Researchers Guydish et al. report a follow-up of their earlier study, reporting the outcome of treatment in day and residential treatment at 12 and 18 months after termination.

The results?  Well, other than cost, improvement among residential clients was not significantly different from those in day treatment.  Indeed, with regard to drug use, there was no difference for the more extensive and expensive treatment option!  It's time for the old tradition of thinking that drug and alcohol clients must first go to residential treatment in order to be successful to go the way of the horse and buggy and Edsel!

Guydish, J. et al. (1999).  A randomized trial comparing day and residential drug abuse treatment: 18 month outcomes.  Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 67(3), 428-434.
From The Institute for the Study of Therapuitic Change website: talingcure.com

[Antigen]

Roy, do you know anything about the diagnostic proceedure for these studies?

I know the vast majority of the kids in The Seed and Straight never had anything close to a hard addiction. Many didn't even use drugs at all. Most who did weren't having problems with their drug use so much as their parents, schoolpeople and others had a problem with it. So they had legal problems or school problems or family problems. But no drug problems.

And I know that a lot of people who get forced into treatment either by the courts of their employers or licensing boards also don't have drug problems to begin with. They generally have legal problems, sometimes money problems, but no significant drug problems.

Rush Limbaugh is a good example of that, I think. Though it's tempting to snicker and say "Well now! That `splains a lot!" But really, reagardless of what anyone thinks of the views he's paid to promote, I don't think anyone would argue that he was functioning at a less than competent, even excellent, level of competency. Would you?

I think the "drug epidemic" is largely a myth. Seems to make about as much sense to me as attibuting disasterous flooding to the presence of Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) then going about a decades long, world wide mission to stamp out (DHMO) whenever and wherever we find it by whatever means necessary!

Now, that's not to say that no one ever has a serious problem attributable to addiction or to compulive drug use (whether fitting anyone's favorite definition of addiction or not) I know some do, I've seen it. But I've also seen it come and go like a bad case of adolescent acne.

No telling what went on in the mind of the afflicted user to bring about the change or what kind of external influences they found helpful, unless of course we ask them. And as long as this activity that is of such great concern and interest to so many remains illegal, we can't really expect anyone to speak candidly about it, can we?

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous

[Antibody?]

Yeah. It is largely myth, especially when you consider the epidemic of psychotropics and other perscription drugs that are recommended by media, doctors, pharm companies, the government and the consumer market culture.

I tend to agree on government and regulation as a social ill - I would only add that the whole of military - economic - police - regulatory - and political systems are all parts of the same thing, and even if you get rid of government and regulation you still have a big mess of conflicting values, interests, agendas,, ideas and ideologies-religions (political viewpoints) at war with each other. There you have it. The answer.

So you have the answer - everyone thinks they have the answer - and all of the answers are different.

What we all have to come to terms with is that it all just is. It all is a "grand play." and "BS" The fun thing to do is to poke fun at all of it and laugh while you try to make things a little better for a few people you feel deserve it. That is what we are all doing here.

As for plowshares, there are ways to use them to teach others who they can and cannot screw with -CEDU has one up their ass right now.  :smokin:

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"What I must do is all that concerns me, not what people think"
Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Antibody?]

Diagnostic Criteria for addiction generally follow the notion of "continued abuse despite serious consequences." This is up for interpertation of the clinician - who is almost always getting money following the diagnosis and treatment.

See the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Americal Psychological Association AKA, (DSM IV).

This manual is full of (shit - oops) so called "mental llnesses", and their characteristics, symptoms and consequences.

We therapists are supposed to believe in it.

Actually, most of us see it as a political attempt to make all mental illness medical, and assign psychiatrists and psychologists as the experts on treating these "illnesses." As is demonstrated in talkingcure.com, we are simply labeling personal, situational, cultural and environmental differences and resources as "problems."

My belief is that these are not actually or necessarily "problems," but differences, and the real problem is a society that wants everyone to be the "same", "normal" "in the middle of the bell curve."

In reality, people are unique in many different ways and oftentimes these differences represent strengths, creativity and diversity that are quite beautiful - but our culture wants to label them sick and make money off of treating the ,so called, sickness. Some sicknesses exist, many do not.

The fact is this: When people become uncomfortable with who they are, they adapt into what they desire to be.

My first question is not to ask what does society want, but to ask the client what he or she wants to be or become or remain.

The point is that we choose and we live with our choice. or change again. We evolve. My job is to help people do that when they want to.

Some people will want to drink or smoke pot and they will have positive or negative consequences or both. Some people will get in way over their heads with hard drugs such as opiates, barbituates et al. They may want to be assiated in a controlled or community support environment.

As has been said, drug treatment has a low rate of success - because success is a voluntary and personal will / tenacity issue. The cure is the will and power and choice of the addicted person.

In short, diagnostics are dumb. They are worth little more than enforcing a social/ cultural norm and collecting money for treatment. Psychotropic drugs, similarly can be helpful. They can also be used for similar evil.

Pick your therapist / "treatment" carefully and remember that you, not the therapist, are the real physician - I am just a mentor.

Therefore, regarding diagnoses, see DSM IV, and notice that it is largely full of crap