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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »
I'm with you here up to a point. I have no guilt. I don't vote. I agree Bush sucks and so does the war on Iraq. But Bin Laden...hmmm...maybe he bombed us because he's a crazy zealous fanatic. I'd like to see him dead. How would you feel if relatives of yours died as a result of 911? like killin' some muthafuckin' towellheads I bet, right? Thought so... :skull:
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2003, 12:09:00 PM »
I'd be really angry too - and I am anyway. I do however see the roots of war in wealth distribution, power imbalance, cultural, religious, and racial difference. For example we have similar fanatics here who blow up gay bars and abortion clinics and and those people have dead family members too. I watched thousands die in Vietnam - some called them "gooks" and that wasn't helpful - We lost that war. Now I'm watching The Chrstian Identity movement kill "brothers" and sisters. We have the same hate/ fear element as in Islam - We both call them Religious fundamentalists - we are all fallible. We are all equal, We are all human, and we all hate.
Peace - I am sad for your our loss.
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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2003, 12:46:00 PM »
Agencies to Contact
If you are a teen, a parent searching for a "disappeared" child, or friends of a teen who has been disappeared, contact the following authorities.

Contact them by telephone, letter, and in person. Ask them to investigate suspected child abuse. They are required to uphold the law. Ask them to do their job. Follow-up with on-going contact, as needed. Ask for a progress report. Ask what action they plan to take.

Many officials in these agencies are completely unaware that GULAG schools exist. Words like "behavior modification," "intervention," "boarding school," "therapeutic boarding school," "attitude adjustment," "emotional growth," hold them in a trance and keep them from acting to protect teens. They may not understand the urgency of your request. You can break the trance, when you use words like "kidnap," "disappeared," "child abuse,"  "snake-pit school," "child torture,"  "teen prisoner of war". Ask them to investigate.

If you suspect child abuse, you have a duty to report it. Child abuse is a felony in some states. Officials, once informed, have a DUTY to report. They can be held liable - and their license revoked - if they ignore or refuse to act on a report of child abuse or child torture, when that report can be supported with first-hand and factual information.

Agencies to contact include:
Child Protective Services (Ask them to do their job.  Ask: will they go to Court to ask for the return of this  teen?)

Child Advocacy Services (Ask: can an advocate be assigned to protect this teen?)

District Attorney (Ask them to do their job. Ask: what laws can they apply to protect this teen?)

Attorney General (for your state)  (Ask: can you contact all law enforcement agencies in the state and ask them to be alert to this new form of possible child abuse. Ask them to report all suspected cases to CPS.)

U.S. Attorney (for your region)  (Ask: can you contact all law enforcement agencies in the region and ask them to be alert to this new form of possible child abuse. Ask them to report all suspected cases to CPS.)

The U.S. State Department (Washington DC,  for out-of-the-country facilities) (Make your request in writing. Ask them to make this a top priority. Ask if there are other cases pending for the same facility. Ask them to treat exiled teens as U.S. Citizens, guaranteed the same rights and protections as adults under the Constitution. Follow-up, as long as necessary, to get the response you want.)

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) (Contact your local or regional office. Ask what support they can provide. In cases where attempts to intimidate may include death threats made across state lines, or over the Internet,  contact this agency.)

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2003, 01:44:00 PM »
Subject:  CEDU

These schools are very similar straight, CEDU, Brown Schools, Rocky
Mountain Academy, Montana Academy, WWASP. They all came out of the
Synanon Model. They use EST, The Forum, Landmark Forum, Lifespring,
Mind Dynamics Werner Erhard, of EST, The Forum and Landmark Forum
and John Hanly of Lifespring had stints with Mind Dynamics and
Scientology. CEDU uses Scientology's Ethics - "A form of social
isolation to force conformity." Scientology won a lawsuit and now
owns The "Cult Awareness Network" So Cult Members will be giving
advice to victims of cults. The good thing is that Scientology wants
to shut down all these other schools and groups (they call call
then "squirrel groups" that steal their methods. Ginger is
knowledgeable and good. Send The Cult Awareness network info on CEDU about CEDU and others stealing their technology and subverting it. Divide and
conquer.


 
 



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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2003, 04:12:00 PM »
Thanks for the compliment. But I want to clarify my position on this.

I don't believe in the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategy. I think it always causes more problems than it solves.

Here's my theory in a nutshell. There's a common thread that runs consistently through all these programs. No matter if the push for reform comes from disillusioned members or from the outside or which aspects of the routine they change, some things remain the same.

In order to keep it together, they have to control information. If you wanted to try and trick CAN into doing what you want, you'd have to give them selective information and hide from them the fact that they're doing themselves in. That's a lot of overhead and a big gamble.

Instead, just let everybody say and find out what they want to say and to know. Without the strict controls on communication, cults simply can't hold it together.

The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire.
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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2003, 05:01:00 PM »
Yeah,
I guess the perception could be created that you would approve of this. Sorry if I gave that impression.

Nevertheless, I think it is an effective method to set these idiots against each other. After all, that is how the Mafia was brought down - and these places are little more than small mafias. These Groups have been around for a long time. Scientology for 53 Years, CEDU for apx 35 years. And, they hurt a lot of people and families every day. I, for one, won't stand by and pretend it doesn't matter what happents to these kids. These CULTS are all bent on World Domination. Every group or country that has tried to Dominate has died at the hands of others who wanted the same - "SO BE IT."
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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2003, 05:42:00 PM »
Well, I think that happens all by itself without any extra help. Whenever the pressure rises and their own actions come under scrutiny, the natural thing for them to do is blame someone else. And that's just what they do. Watch now as the whole industry condemns WWASP and tries to pretend they're completely different.

That's what happened to The Seed and to Straight.

Those who control the past, control the future; and those who control the present, control the past.

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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2004, 10:30:00 AM »
This is a serious inquiry.
I want to know if there is any hope of settling a lawsuit against CEDU school.
I am not a money-grubber, just a concerned ex-student who wants to see CEDU take it where it hurts, their wallet.
Let me explain.
I attended CEDU high school, California for nearly three years.
The years in question were 1995-1997.
During that time, I experience uncountable atrocities, abuses and brainwashings.
I completed the full program, including every single profeet they have to offer, finishing with their week-long summit workshop.
I graduated their program thanks to having a stubborn mother who ignored my constant tearful pleas to remove me from the program. She was under advisement from the staff to ignore all my requests, and dismiss my claims as lies. She continued to do so even after I advanced in the program and was no longer monitored on phone calls. She was lied to. Even today, when I tell her that everything I ever told her was true, and that I have nothing to gain by telling her that now, she goes white-faced and silent and tells me she does not want to talk about it.
During my stay at CEDU, I was placed on a "table restriction" for an entire month. This remains the longest restriction I have ever known anyone to have been on. I sat on a hard wooden bench, no cushioning, in the dining room to face the ridicule of my peers. Every night I got the hardest, dirtiest, nastiest washroom jobs possible. By day I labored in freezing conditions, clearing a "nature trail" a good four miles of deep woods trail blanketed by two feet of solid snow and ice. I did this even though it was the dead of winter and no one bothered to go on the trail. On another "work assignment", I dug a rain-trench and hauled rocks across campus by wheelbarrow (saving the school contracting fees to get it done professionally) in the hot summer sun while "good" kids got to lay on blankets on the grass, play guitar and eat candy and watch me work. To add insult to injury, while I walked by counselors would lean over the balcony and yell at me to move faster while kids laughed, watching me try to run with a wheelbarrow full of rocks. I hauled buckets of them to landscape a tiny, dirt-filled pavilion observable when walking into the dining hall, in preparation for parent visits, to help make things pretty. During this assignment I dislocated my wrist, and for weeks was unable to even lift my notebook for school. This did not stop them. Collapsing into bed that first night after dislocation, I was awake all night crying because I thought my wrist was broken. They ridiculed me when I reported it, refusing to stop making me work, also refusing me pain medication (thought I might like it, maybe)
During sporting events, I was forced into a swimming pool on a rainy, forty degree day. The water was so cold my leg cramped up and I couldn't walk without a limp for months. In fact for up to a year afterward, whenever I went for a walk the pain would return. Nevertheless, they continued to force me to train for their wilderness trip. "Training" consisted of forcibly running three miles, three times a week plus sprinting in the parking lot and up a seventy degree angled hill (the hill to the "non potable water supply" cedu students will know what I mean). The trip itself was two weeks of hell. I was forced to hike no less than ten miles a day for the first week. At the end of the first day, due to equipment malfunction, (cheap thirty year old frame packs can't distribute weight well) I reported that my feet were masses of blisters. I was told "pad em up, move em out", and had to walk on them while they burst unter my weight, causing excruciating pain. It felt like walking on hot coals all day. I was not allowed to rest them, let alone stop the trip. One of my friends accidentally spilled boiling water on his leg, causing second degree burns. He was not allowed to leave the trip either, let alone have the injuries medically treated. Within a couple days, his blistered legs were draining a large amount of foul-smelling, pus-like discharge. He still went untreated, having to clean the wounds in dirty, parasite-filled streams which we couldn't even drink without chemically treating.  Staff did not care. Another trip I wasn't on had their packs mauled by bears in the night who ate most of their already meager food. During my four days of forced isolation on the trip, I was given water, a bag of granola and two cereal bars a day. I was not allowed to take any other food. I slept on the ground under a tarp with no sides, despite nearly stepping on a rattlesnake two days earlier. We were so deep in the wilderness that I observed a wild wolf drink from the stream a few feet from where I sat. A full-grown bear charged down the hill ten feet away from me, chasing what I never knew. Thank god he didn't see me, or I would be another casualty. I was later told we were constantly monitored by counselors, but I never saw them.
Due to my alleged noncompliance with the program, I had to repeat this wilderness event two more times. Most students only do it once, and consider it the hardest thing they ever do. I did it three times. At the end of each time, I had to complete a nine mile run on the desert sun with no rest stops. The third trip I refused, due to the masses of blisters on my feet. Returning to school, I had a table restriction waiting. On my longest restriction, I completed at least a hundred full pages, front and back, of "writing assignment", intense personal information that I had to leave on my table at all times. Several times I would return from work assignments to find untrained staff or students reading them without my permission. If the counselors thought they weren't personal enough, they would tear them out and throw them away and make me rewrite them. During raps I was screamed at in front of other students about my personal issues by both counselors and students. In fact, untrained, unschooled student peers were regularly allowed to assist in working with other students on emotional growth issues. To encourage this, students would get punished, by which I mean more work, if they did not confront at least two students per rap on meaningful issues during the first few months of stay.
Also because of my so-called noncompliance, which really meant I observed no signs of brainwashing yet, having not learned to do everything everyone told me without question, I was dropped not one but two peer groups, each time extending my potential stay by six months. I would have had to watch my friends graduate without me, but there were so many runaways that they had to combine all three peer groups into one just to have enough to keep them going. I was told they would keep doing this until I complied. When I observed that I would eventually become 18 and be allowed to leave, they countered that they would get my mom to sign a paper saying I was incompetent to be a legal adult. I don't even know if this is possible, but by then was so mentally exhausted I believed it. I was verbally abused, sworn at, physically threatened. Phone calls were monitored in case I told my parents what was really going on, and limited to fifteen minutes every two weeks. Letters were read before sent, and only allowed if they met standards, which meant they could not contain pleas to leave. This would be considered not working with the program. Incoming letters were opened without permission and read before I ever recieved them, any offending material removed. If any gifts were sent by sympathetic family members, they were confiscated and kept by staff. Letters were restricted to family members only. Sex was not allowed, smoking was not allowed, even by 18 year old adults. Nearly all forms of music were banned. Even naming a restricted band resulted in punishment. Severe dress codes were in effect, banning logos, any clothes with words on them, the color black, baggy clothes, suggestive clothes, jewelry, long hair in boys, hair dye, sideburns were limited, buzz-cuts, mohawks, shaved heads, all banned. Students recieved punishments for untucked shirts, unparted hair. This was supposed to mbe to help keep the focus on emotional growth and to not hide behind an image, but was just an exercise in conformity, to forcing kids to adapt to the counselors demands. Speech patterns, suspicious nicknames, hand gestures, anything that couold be consedered image-driven, was banned. I was once banned from the library because rather than spend time moitoring other students for signs of dissent, I liked to read. Alone. I was banned from being alone. To discourage revolt. students were routinrly banned specifically from anyone they formed a close friendship with. Any restriction (table, couch, pit, wherever) was met with automatic bans from younger levels of students who might be les brainwashed. I was once accused of excessive masturbating, and forced to ask an older student or staff's permission to escort me to the bathroom and monitor my activity. The reason for this was because I spent a lot of time in the bathroom in order to just be alone. I was ridiculed, known thereafter by my peers as the "bathroom escort masturbator". We were contstantly punished if we ate more than a small amount of food, being accused of not letting others have their share, or "scarcity". If found guilty, plates would have to pass staff inspection. All the students were very thin, which was good for parents who liked to see improving body images, and mistook starvation for health. On parent visits, cooks would prepare more expenive and better quality food to promote the illuson we were eating well. On one occasion the entire school got food poisoning and spent two days suffering from uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea, often at the same time, as well as severe dehydration to the point of delirium. I personally remember speding the night crying and confused, my entire dorm (and every other) literally taking turns in the bathroom puking and shitting. At one point I passed out on the toilet and had to be awakened by a roommate who needed the bathroom. My roommated would talk to themelves, laugh at nothing and sing songs at the top of their lungs all night. I remember discovering that my blanket was all balled up and crying out loud because in my confusion I did not know how to straighten it out. I could hear crying coming from other dorms. I know I cried out loud a lot of times. Immediately after supper that first night,the first one to get sick went to the doctor. When the doctor suspected the cause might be a food-borne organism, the student was returned to school. No further students were permitted to seek medical attention, even though 95% got life-threateningly sick. I could not keep down fluid, I just kept throwing it back up again. I should have gotten an IV, but they wouldn't allow it. To this day I am amazed no one died. The next morning, staff told everyone NOT TO DRINK THE WATER!! I remember crying because I wanted water so badly. The staff insisted that the illness was in the water, and no one was to drink it. They said a truck was to come with bottle water. It never did. I was given one can of seven-up, which I could not keep down. Most students were too weak to get out of bed. Still, staff continued to insist it was "something in the water", and that we were to tell that to our parents if they asked. In a couple of days, they declared the water "treated" and forgot the incident. No one ever came to investigate our water supply, which came from an isolated tank on campus and could have been easily tested. It wasn't. I know this because we were forced to limit out showers to five minutes per person per day, on grounds that we might deplete the water supply. Not taking one shower a day was grounds for punishment also. In addition to all these rules and restrictions, staff could make up new ones on a whim. One staff placed a student on work assignments for asking if he was gay. Another put a kid on a whole week of dishes for "disagreeing". Parents would come up on designated days for the whole school, or had to request a visit in advance so the pleace could be "prepared" for them. Events never offered otherwise were trotted out for parents. Counselors would smile and mess up students hair.
It was sickening. The parents would go through their own profeets, except they would take place in comfy resort hotels. I had the opportunity to observe a part of one on one occasion. It was nothing more than a baby meditation exercise where the parents "went back to childhood" together and were told everything was okay. Then they gave each other hugs. They didn't even have to experience sleep deprivation. Yet they were told that they too had experienced the profeet, so they could see what we went through and get to bond about it with us. On the other hand, we were told that if we thought we were going to fall asleep, we should stand behind our chairs to stay awake all night. Same thing? You decide.

All of this and so much more it would take a whole book to write it all happened directly to me. These are not just stories. The stories I heard, about CEDU, Ascent, RMA, Suws and other such places could fill a book of their own, but I can't account for their validity. These things I wrote about I can, because I experienced them personally.
So does anyone here think I have grounds to sue the school, or do you think they have some kind of legal loopholes in place to avoid it. See, even now I am still paranoid that they'll get the upper hand. For months after I graduated, I suffered nightly nightmares that I had been enrolled again, or had to start over. I woke from those sweating and in terror. I understood what vietnam vets mean by flashback. The whole thing felt like POW camp. If you ran away, they sent private escorts after you to track you down, cuff you and bring you back. One kid made it to Germany and was still found. Others disappeared and their parents never heard from them again. IF they were 18, their parents were encouraged to disown them and not support them in any way. I saw several parents tell their kid to their face they would do this.

If anyone knows anything about suing, wants to, is trying, has tried, please let me know.
If anyone remembers any of these incidents, or has stories from CEDU or other schools, let me know. I am writing a book on the subject and may include other people's stories.
If anyone just wants to commiserate, I am available.

My e-mail is [email protected]

P.S. to Mark Waitt, Alyx Thorson, Joe Csapo and Anthony Musso- if you are alive and read this, please write me. They never let me contact you.

Jake Hallam
survivor

R.I.P. Heather Woods
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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2004, 04:16:00 PM »
Call information in Sandpoint Idaho. Ask for the Law officeds of Powell and Reed - Formerly verby Powell and Reed. Also Try Janet Jenkins in Sandpont. Verby Powelll and Reed settled a huge lawsuit just a while back.

If the Statute of Limitations has run out, go Public. There is a person writing a book on CEDU na,ed Maya S -Antigen has Maia's contact address. If you need a qualified professional to give testamony. I'd be happy to help.
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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2004, 02:04:00 AM »
Who is this Maia person? Did she go there? Tell me more about her.

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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2004, 02:09:00 AM »
CEDU Settles Personal Injury, Fraud Claims

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/pag ... p?str=3541
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« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2004, 03:18:00 PM »
With all due respect John, Todd D, looks cute and can fake love - like most mormon gods. However, he has a very dark side. Todd was into power.

Todd's wife told many of us that Todd controlled her like a god and even abused her. He was a tyrant at the school and a tyrant at home. He pubically lambasted kids and shamed them publically for mastrubation, he screamed, he yelled, to control and induce fear and intimidation.

He has no college education yet calls himself a counselor. He is unquelified to run workshops, he has no concept of ethics, child rights, empathy or compassion. In my professional opinnion he is mentally ill

The same can be said for Bill B. This fellow is Passive-Aggressive beyond clinical. And, he uses mental torture and mind games to drive kids to crack up. He is responsible for more hospitalizations, inclusing his own, than any staff I have ever met. This Guy like Todd and La Teresa and many others is fake and sadistic.

As for Lateresa, I have never seen a more entrenched narcissistic false self. La exudes such obvious inauthenticity, fake crying, fake feelings, fake love, and icky, smelly, scummy, rotting false concern. Her presentation,itchy with bugs in it, false. Her values, greedy, two-faced, avoident and sociopathic. And, she is just what CEDU wants.

They have one good Director. Lori at NWA. She's creative, kind, real, ultra-intelligent, ethical with education, great critical thinking skills and NO BS. - I bet they fire her. She is exactly what they don't want.

This is critical, a criminal organization needs criminals - ethical people are threatening. They always get rid of the good ones, -- Cowboy Bob, Mark R, Roy P, Jenny, Doug Kim Brown ad infinitum. This is because a cult does not get outside information. And all there is inside is criminals. That is the why of the Racketeering, Child Abuse and False Billing lawsuits.
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« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2004, 02:21:00 AM »
You are soooo right!  You obviously have been around BCA/RMA for a long going by the range of names you mentioned.  I am a fellow ex cedu employee who could tell stories you wouldn't believe.  Like the time a female employee was forced to sit on 12 male student's laps one at a time  and say to them "is that a rocket in your pocket,or are you just glad to see me?"  Or the time a female student was forced to flirt with every guy in the room while strutting around in a bathing suit until many of them were brought to obvious arousal.

cedu schools are the most degenate form of brainwashing you can subject your child to.  It is so sad that parents are paying $5,000 plus to get in.
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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2004, 06:26:00 PM »
HA = yeah I was in that propheet with poor Wendy, and the others and poor Fred being socially conditioned to cooperate with that bull. She should have sued them. And the kids were unquestionably being subjected to child abuse. I told them they couldn't do that, they just laughed -- Then I told Child Protective Services and they just said it was indeed child and adult abuse, asked for proof, took a report and sat on their ass. So did Adult Protective services and Jim Puitt at RTC licensing. Idaho has no regulatory function. You can have a elementary school education and hang up a shingle and go to wotk as a counselor doing therapy - gestalt or therapeuitic nose picking in Idaho. Look, The reason these schools exist in Idaho and Utah and the Ozarks is because the regulatory system is a sham.Washingtom has a real regulatory system and laws protecting the rights of kids - look there for emotional growth boarding schools - There are three non state facilities maybe - and no Synanon there. Wake up Idaho regulation RTC and Child protection is a cover up. They want money and busines and will subscribe to anything to get it here. And that is one more reason not to send your kids to CEDU or any other of the 1000s of schools ed consultants recommend, in Idaho, or anywhere else - especially the one's in Samoa and other toilet 3rd world countries - get a clue parents. This is a RACKET. Research clearly demonstrates that these schools, not only don't work but make most people worse. That is why the only proof the have to sell you are testamonials from brainwashed kids and parents. See the testamonials on TV for get rich quick programs, miricle diet programs, fountains of youth to infinity. They prove nothing - never will. CEDU is CRAP, CRAP, CRAP - Kids grow up by themselves. People change their behaviors - by choice. Two years is enough - the fix is the kid not the Therapy. See the book "Escape from Babel." The only savior is way up there in the kids will. Get family therapy. If not, go dump 160 thousand dollars off niagra falls or burn it or better yet, start a youth center in your town. And Stop asking about CEDU -- read the fucking literature - it's all over universities, all over the web. Call Child Protection in Idaho -- They all hate CEDU - They were here for the riot --- Idiot Parents ---- No wonder you can't raise kids.
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« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2004, 06:29:00 PM »
As usual, you are right on top of the research Ginger - Keep it up.
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