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Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« on: January 22, 2013, 01:07:03 PM »
We are extremely alarmed by a new show on Lifetime called Teen Trouble. It is hosted by a famous teen coach named Josh Shipp; on it, he has sent 3 kids to 'troubled teen' chains that have been investigated for child abuse and deaths, and at least one more is likely.

These teens obviously need help, there is no doubt about that. Whether or not abuse is occurring, residential programs are an outdated mode of treatment for kids. At best, they are solution looking for a problem so that the owners can make money; at worst, kids are being tortured and killed. Parents are watching this show and being influenced by it, kids are at serious risk of being permanently damaged.

This show is hot hot hot, and it's picking up speed. They are now airing repeats on A&E and have announced it will be shown on Canada's Lifetime. Josh Shipp is making the rounds to Anderson Live, Good Morning America and other national talk shows, the media is praising him.

Please go here for more info: http://teentroublejoshshipp.com
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2013, 06:39:18 PM »
This is how Synanon got rooted, through pop culture

History repeats itself
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2013, 09:13:57 PM »
But don't worry everyone!

Josh shipp done got channnnnged. he's a different man now, all he had to do is tell people he channngged..

worthless sack of shit didn't even apologize to the 8 kids he tormented on national television.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2013, 11:12:29 PM »
Josh Shipp is on our side now or so he says. Time will tell.   He will not be doing another season of teen trouble.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 12:05:00 PM »
still doesn't account for the 8 kids he tormented on the first season neither does it explain www.joshshipp.com (I promise its not a porn link) in which he prominently in a rather boastful manner his participation in teen trouble on the first page of his site.

Mostly, Josh Shipp is on Josh Shipp's side and he did just enough to wipe some of the shit off the Shipp to keep his google rankings free of fecal spray.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 05:49:27 PM »
Shipp's show is being dropped because it was lame, not because his "eyes were opened".  He's on our side?  No.  He's using us as a smokescreen.  Shipp claims he received death threats - I doubt he has anything but contempt for everyone involved at the moment.  Definitely take more of a wait and see attitude toward the Shippster, at least - I wouldn't start counting him as an ally, anyway.  If he lied about his credentials...

Good riddance to bad rubbish, may the door slam him in the ass and godspeed him on the way out.

This is the best take I've seen on Shipp's show running aground:

http://jilliestake.blogspot.com/2013/05 ... elled.html

Saturday, May 18, 2013
LIFETIME TV'S "TEEN TROUBLE" IS CANCELLED - APPARENTLY, JOSH SHIPP THE HOST, TAKES CREDIT
Josh Shipp

Lifetime TV of A&E networks affirmed the network cancelled "Teen Trouble" hosted by motivational speaker Josh Shipp.

As of this date, there was no announcement or press release by A&E's Lifetime TV network indicating the show was cancelled. A&E confirmed this.
The unscripted series was originally approved for only eight episodes.
http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/teen-tr ... s/season-1

"Teen Trouble" - After months of scrutiny, petitioning the network, articles upon negative articles, voices raised in horror by survivors of the TTI industry and children's rights advocates, this indeed was received as good news. There will be no more episodes of "Teen Trouble."

So how did survivors and child advocates find out "Teen Trouble" was cancelled?

Well, Mr. Shipp. it appears, would like survivors and advocates to believe it was his choice -  his "own personal decision to not do another season of  Teen Trouble."  How heroic of Mr. Shipp - how valiant. He "kept his word?"  Which "word" was that?

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/teentro ... p/?fref=ts


"I have chosen to NOT film any more episodes of Teen Trouble."  Who has chosen?  He could film them, for sure, but the network would not be paying for them.

Mr. Shipp, the above statement, if made, is offensive to survivors and advocates.  One does not know if you are suggesting that the cognitive capabilities of advocates and survivors is marginal at best.

THE SCENARIO INFERRED BY MR. SHIPP'S STATEMENT

Okay, so you are not a noted star, but for an individual to cease production of further episodes, by his choice alone on a series, if true, is great "spin" for any network. This is news worthy! This selfless effort is certainly worth a logline from the network lauding you or the network for ones humanity above the almighty dollar. It's Disney! A rarity, but actors have walked away from other series.  Where is it? Where is the network news release? Oh, it's in an undisclosed private "email." However, the gist of it may be shared. Perhaps, the email was misinterpreted? Another "spin" coming?

NETWORK REASONING - THE BOTTOM LINE DICTATES

According to network executives, they pull the plug on a series, when the series does not perform well in the ratings(performance-very poor ratings), negative reviews (Mr. Shipp's self-proclaimed Harvard endorsement did not help, nor the marketing of himself as a "Teen Behavioral Expert et al"), or because of radical or controversial content (sending children to abusive facilities without educating oneself is right up there).

According to A&E's Lifetime, "Teen Trouble" did not perform up to their expectations, therefore the show was cancelled. Whether it is because of the aforementioned network reasoning or Mr. Shipp's take is any one's guess.  However, logic dictates that the reasoning for the cancellation of "Teen Trouble" leans more toward performance and controversy - although to networks, controversy is sometimes thought of as a positive as related to hype.  

"Teen Trouble" did not make it because of the ratings? "Reality bites."

If one believes it was Mr.Shipp's decision to end "Teen Trouble," then one must conclude A&E's Lifetime network would have continued the series with menial ratings, thus sending children to abusive facilities, if Mr. Shipp stayed.  After all the controversy, this wouldn't shed a halo of light on the network - a Disney network. A&E would not be pleased, especially for making the network officials look like imbeciles as the ratings numbers were not there to sustain "Teen Trouble," nor was the advertising. Again, the network only agreed to eight episodes. The episodes were over and apparently, so was the series.

What we take issue with, is using pure of heart individuals, survivors of the TTI industry and children's rights advocates for one's own gain. What worth is that "gain," if it is the result of "a dog and pony show?"

We deal in the heartbreak of certain realities every day and, yes, it bites. It is not mired in any personal visions of grandeur or "spin." Our visions of grandeur are that of keeping all children safe.

Mr. Shipp, respect is earned and your ten minutes of advocacy is up.

And... that's our take.

Ratings:

http://thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2013/ ... _20130125/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Trouble
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 09:52:25 PM »
Hey, Zen, I hope all is well.  Here is my 2 cents.

I dont think Josh shipp should be judged based on if he is on “our side” or someone else’s side.  Josh works for what he believes in.  He was abused as a child and struggled with addiction and because he was helped by adults he was able to overcome many of his problems.  Just like Jacqueline Danforth and many others he wanted to give back and help others to succeed in life.  I don’t think they should be criticized and beaten down for trying to help others.  There are a lot of children in crisis in this country and there are even fewer answers on how to help them and even fewer, still, people willing to step up and give it a try.  Television/ media is one of the best ways to get the word out and enlighten people that there is a problem.  Maybe many here do not agree with the solution but I think we can all agree that there is a need in this country for people to care and intervene.

We just cant beat down and discard an entire concept like “Teen Trouble” without commenting or having an honest discussion on the positive and negatives of its airing.  How did the show approach Self- awareness, social awareness and relationship skills? (to name a few)  It just seems to have gotten to the point where many here on fornits  are not willing to dissect any program and differentiate the good from the bad.......  its boiled down to: “If a child is sent to a program then the program must be bad.”

It would be more beneficial if we could all rise above this mentality.



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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 10:51:13 PM »
Whooter, point taken.  However, as a fairly outspoken critic against Teen Trouble, let me try to explain the three levels of critcism that has been directed at Josh Shipp.

1.  I was always of the opinion that his "sin" of sending youth to programs, particularly CCA and DRA, was the least of it and the focus on the programs he was sending youth to actualy obscured the two major issues, that actually made him a one-man caricature if the TTI

2.  He presented himself as being more credentialed than he really was.  At best, he could lay claim to being a peer mentor, with excellent engagement skills developed through his marketing experience and empathy built through shared life experience.  Calling himself a "teen behavior expert" was a stretch.  Saying he was endorsed by Harvard was an outright lie.

3.  The methods he used on camera were borderline abusive, and clearly meant to confront in an effort to break youth down.

We can have a conversation about what would be effective, and I thought that for the most part the first 25-30 minutes of each episode effectively demonstrated how a parenting coach (even a relatively unqualified one) could help facilitate parent-child communication.  But I'm convinced that reality-tv is a poor medium to address our concerns because drama sells, even though drama isn't conducive to good treatment.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 12:25:05 AM »
I think blombro sums it up. His antics on air were disgusting.

I said it elsewhere and I'll say it here, Josh Shit hasn't apologized to any of the 8 kids he subjected to his brand of treatment. Just look at his website www.joshshipp.com, right there on the front page he links to and mentions teen trouble as part of his "cv". Seems to me he's still using Teen Trouble to shill his services as a "motivational" speaker.

Some people have put their all on the line standing up for josh, I just hope they aren't shat on when it comes to light of just how big of a unrepentant little weasel the son of a bitch is. All it will take is just one of his private customers coming forward to comment on the real face of Josh Shipp away from the cameras.

From what I've heard, it's even more grim behind the scenes and he toned it down a fair bit for the cameras. Hard to say though, gossip is gossip and I'd need to see a first hand account from one of his victims before believing it.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 03:52:41 AM »
Anyone who thinks the he was concerned about anything but ratings and sponsors is fooling themselves. And regardless of what he did or didn't do, if the ratings and the money were right, he wouldn't have been canceled. You get ratings when people either love you or hate you enough to watch. I guess not too many people did.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 12:07:56 PM »
Quote from: "blombrowski"
Whooter, point taken.  However, as a fairly outspoken critic against Teen Trouble, let me try to explain the three levels of critcism that has been directed at Josh Shipp.

1.  I was always of the opinion that his "sin" of sending youth to programs, particularly CCA and DRA, was the least of it and the focus on the programs he was sending youth to actualy obscured the two major issues, that actually made him a one-man caricature if the TTI

2.  He presented himself as being more credentialed than he really was.  At best, he could lay claim to being a peer mentor, with excellent engagement skills developed through his marketing experience and empathy built through shared life experience.  Calling himself a "teen behavior expert" was a stretch.  Saying he was endorsed by Harvard was an outright lie.

3.  The methods he used on camera were borderline abusive, and clearly meant to confront in an effort to break youth down.

We can have a conversation about what would be effective, and I thought that for the most part the first 25-30 minutes of each episode effectively demonstrated how a parenting coach (even a relatively unqualified one) could help facilitate parent-child communication.  But I'm convinced that reality-tv is a poor medium to address our concerns because drama sells, even though drama isn't conducive to good treatment.

Blombrowski,  You seem to be much more informed than I am on this subject.  I have seen the show and initially found it to be a great idea in that it placed a spotlight on the industry and those kids in need of help, but as I thought about it (in light of this discussion) you look at the reality shows and the people in them they all need to keep stepping it up each season, increase the drama from last season.  Many are so desperate to keep it going they create their own scandals, have an affair, get pregnant, get married, get divorced, leak a sex tape etc.  In Jeff’s case the networks were more than likely pushing him hard to increase the drama and he was unwilling to push any harder than he already has for the sake of ratings.

I agree with you that reality TV is a poor place to try and reach out to kids who are struggling and expect positive results or a sincere effort to focus on the kids needs vs increased ratings.



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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2013, 12:16:32 PM »
I think none-ya's explanation is the most likely. I find it hard to believe the guy had a genuine change of heart.  Perhaps the risk of scandal had something to do with it but I find it more plausible it had to do with dismal ratings.  If the ratings were good, would the guy have made the same choice?  I doubt it.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2013, 01:02:56 PM »
I remember thinkin', wow whooter's got a tv show!
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2013, 01:42:31 PM »
Please share this link to the Facebook pages that I'm sure y'all are associated with:

http://www.vice.com/read/thousands-of-a ... nt-centres

There are at least four things that I think are worth taking away from this article:

1.  Josh Shipp is basically unrepentant.  As much as he claims to be informed and educated, he's still taking the position that his placements were safe.  This doesn't surprise me.  I think the most credit we can give him is that he wasn't willing to produce a television show that put kids in even more harms way for the purpose of ratings.  But we don't know.

2.  Josh Shipp is well suited to be part and parcel of the Troubled Teen Industry.  I think he must ask himself how much good can I do and how much can I get paid to do it?  While evaluating his the quality of his work through anecdote.  While never stopping to think what are the unintended harms of what he's doing, or minimizing the reality of those harms by justifying how little the young people he's working with have to lose.

3.  The industry still needs to make a reckoning with its Synanon-influenced past.  i would like to believe that after the first Miller hearings, the Elan and FFS Truth Campaigns, the closing of Mount Bachelor, a smart businessperson would realize that the world was changing and that having food and sleep deprivation and forced exercise as part of the program milieu was bad business.  But other than some writings by Tom Croke, I haven't seen anything that even reads like an excuse (i.e. well, back in the 90's CEDU was the best thing going for us since medical psychiatry wasn't effective at getting our kids to grow up fast enough, but now we know we can achieve forced maturity without torturing kids).  Without the industry taking accountability for it's past actions, how can we be sure to what extent it has actually changed - so... Whooter you have the floor.

4.  This isn't taken so much from the article but something I read earlier today.  This was taken from an article written by a critic of the charter school field.  I think it fairly well explains the difference between TTI family involvement and the kind of family involvement that we talk about in Wraparound.

I’ve attended too many meetings where polarized groups of charter and public school parents are pitted against each other in contentious, at times ugly debates over resources, facilities and priorities. This polarization has its roots, not just in clashing short-term interests and an inadequate pool of resources, but in conflicting conceptions of the role parents should play in public education. For the charter movement, parents are mainly customers seeking services with no major role in school governance or advocacy for all children. But in a system of universal public education, parents are citizens seeking rights and, collectively, the owner-managers of a fundamental public institution in a democratic society.

From what I can tell there is very little civic family involvement in the NATSAP/IECA world.  Sure there are lots of parents who become educational consultants or develop non-profits to support the industry, or start their own programs, but where's the equivalent of parents who just join the school board.  Who want to help the development of the industry without there being any dollar amount in it for them.

Anyways, look forward to all of your thoughts.
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Re: Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 04:07:55 PM »
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3.  The industry still needs to make a reckoning with its Synanon-influenced past.  i would like to believe that after the first Miller hearings, the Elan and FFS Truth Campaigns, the closing of Mount Bachelor, a smart businessperson would realize that the world was changing and that having food and sleep deprivation and forced exercise as part of the program milieu was bad business.  But other than some writings by Tom Croke, I haven't seen anything that even reads like an excuse (i.e. well, back in the 90's CEDU was the best thing going for us since medical psychiatry wasn't effective at getting our kids to grow up fast enough, but now we know we can achieve forced maturity without torturing kids).  Without the industry taking accountability for it's past actions, how can we be sure to what extent it has actually changed - so... Whooter you have the floor.

I dont see why the industry needs to dig up the past in order to be successful in the future.  Every industry evolves over time.  The parts that are not effective get dropped or stripped away and the elements which are effective get embellished.  The needs of the children and parents change over time.  Keeping a spot light on the industry and asking for studies to reflect reported successes should help to keep the industry evolving.

When I was young (and little enough) I use to sit on the dash board when we rode in the car while my sisters stood on the front seat.  Now kids have to be strapped into a certified booster seat.  I dont see any use in going back and arresting or reprimanding those parents, car makers or law makers for not keeping the children safe.

As long as we keep measuring the success and continuing to improve then I think we are on a good track and dont need to dwell too much on past mistakes.



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