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Teen Trouble - Josh Shipp - EXPOSED

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psy:

--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If your child is in need of an anti-cancer medication and all other avenues have been tried unsuccessfully then most parents would be willing to try a medication that is still undergoing trial studies to see if it has an effect on their child.
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The difference is parents are warned by doctors that often untested treatments have as much potential for harm as they do to help.  There is an informed consent.  How many programs, how many, will tell the honest to god truth by saying "What we do is experimental. We are not sure that what we do works, but we believe it does as a result of their anecdotal experience; however there have been a significant number of former students who report being harmed as a result of our treatment".  How many will say that, Whooter?  Why is there no warning label on programs like there is on even a bottle of Aspirin?

blombrowski:
I can answer that.  Is that an expectation for any mental health professional or educational professional?  When part of treatment effectiveness is built upon the placebo effect, having faith that a treatment will work if properly followed through on is at least as important as the treatment intervention itself.

Can you imagine a therapist who is starting CBT with a client, saying to them, "well the therapeutic intervention I'm going to use on you is CBT, and it has a 60% success rate if fully followed through on compared to a 30% rate of success if we do absolutely nothing.  It's indicated if you have an anxiety disorder or a mood disorder, but is counterindicated if you have a personality disorder."  Sure it would be nice if mental health professionals did that, but by in large they don't.

Whooter:

--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If your child is in need of an anti-cancer medication and all other avenues have been tried unsuccessfully then most parents would be willing to try a medication that is still undergoing trial studies to see if it has an effect on their child.
--- End quote ---

The difference is parents are warned by doctors that often untested treatments have as much potential for harm as they do to help.  There is an informed consent.  How many programs, how many, will tell the honest to god truth by saying "What we do is experimental. We are not sure that what we do works, but we believe it does as a result of their anecdotal experience; however there have been a significant number of former students who report being harmed as a result of our treatment".  How many will say that, Whooter?  Why is there no warning label on programs like there is on even a bottle of Aspirin?
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I was never told the program would be effective.  I was told my daughter would enter an extremely structured environment, visit with a therapist once per week, the therapist and I would talk and the therapist would speak to her home therapist which she was seeing prior to entering ASR.  She would hopefully be weened off her meds which she was.  She would attend school and catch up on her studies etc. We could write to each other,We would get to speak once a week for half an hour and visit periodically.   I spoke with a few parents who had kids graduate from the program and I was free to walk around the campus and speak with the kids.  I knew there was no way anyone could guarantee success and never expected a guarantee .  I cant think of a single industry which talks about their failures.  Cancer doctors talk about survivor rates (not death rates).  If you enter a car dealership they dont have pictures of  car accidents all over the wall.  Its not because they are withholding information its just that people tend to look at the positive aspects vs the negative.



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