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Was Safe called Safety? Or is that someplace different?
« on: February 10, 2004, 09:08:00 AM »
Have a friend that went through. (1 year)
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2004, 11:02:00 AM »
It was called Substance Abuse Family Education (SAFE) or dba Associated Counseling and Education.  I personally have never heard of a program called SAFETY.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2004, 11:50:00 AM »
I guess it was SAFe, my friend was in. He's in jail right now, awaiting prison time. He a while back.

Over 5 years ago.

He went throught Straight Inc. also, he said they are one in the same.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2004, 11:53:00 AM »
He 'was in' a while back.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »
I left SAFE in late 1995.  I worked there for 2 1/2 years.  I started when Straight closed and SAFE opened.  I worked there during the HRS investigations and the admissions moratorium.  Did you have any questions?
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2004, 01:28:00 PM »
What I would like to know, is why do people get put through the program, numberous amounts of times in certain cases, even though it obviously did not help, and in many cases, made the problems much worse?

The treatment process doesn't work, it destroys.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2004, 01:34:00 PM »
The best way for me to answer that question is to direct you to the other topic I started right below this one.  There are 2 ex-Safe clients and one mom that commented about their time at SAFE.  I do not know what happened to your friend individually.  During my 2 1/2 years at SAFE, no kid who graduated did so unequipped to handle the real world.  There were kids who did not finish their aftercare and who did not stay sober.

I am confused as to what you mean by destroy.  If you would like to be more specific about details you can PM, if you dont want to post something.  I had friends who worked there until recently.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2004, 04:10:00 PM »
I know what these places do.

They destroy the developemental process of young people's minds, and developing young adults. Psychic murder. Pavalav's dogs type therapy. Mind control, thought reform, brainwashing, etc...
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2004, 04:46:00 PM »
What you are saying are things I have heard before.  None of what you described went on when I was at SAFE.  You might want to go over some of the prior posts in the thread below this one.  Alot of topics were coverd.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2004, 05:21:00 PM »
Okay. Next time I talk to him, I'll ask him when he was in.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2004, 05:44:00 PM »
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"What you are saying are things I have heard before.  None of what you described went on when I was at SAFE.  You might want to go over some of the prior posts in the thread below this one.  Alot of topics were coverd.



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You mean SAFE wasn't a long term, confrontational, aggressive, thought reform, TOUGHLOVE, break 'em to save 'em, "program" with 1st through 5th phases, newcomers, host homes, belt loops, and motivating?

On what phase is the client allowed the privlige to read, write or use the phone to call friends or relatives?

Are 1st phasers still under 24 hour watch, and told this is so they don't cause harm to themselves?

Do you realize what tampering with a young person?s ability to trust his own judgement makes as an adult? These places teach you that if you don't conform, you are choosing to self injure! Do people still carve and scratch on their arms who are misbehaving? Forcing total dependency of the program only works for so long, but with every forced act, there is a natural need to rebel against it in a normal adolescent mind.. You tell someone they will be nothing without the program, not realizing their need for individuality, will win, but then, they lose, because they were programmed to think they're nothing but dead, in jail, or hooked on drugs, without it.

The lucky and strong survive.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2004, 05:50:00 PM »
These programs breed homeless, drug addicted criminals... or suicide victims.

Lost souls.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2004, 05:52:00 PM »
The answer to your questions/accusations are in the thread under this one.

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2004, 08:41:00 PM »
Actually no, they aren't, and instead of being all vague and shifty, why don't you answer them here, because you didn't answer then over there.

You avoided answering them.

PS - re-naming something, doesn't make it a different thing.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2004, 09:29:00 PM »
Actually, changing the name DID change things. I was in SAFE for 18 months when I was 17 years old.  I am now 28 years old and don't use any drugs.   I relapsed when I got out and did alot more drugs than I did when I first went in but I straightened myself out and I think that "program" had ALOT to do with that.  I won't say it kept me off drugs but everything they taught me there, like addiction being progressive is 100% true.  Life is what you make it and even if STRAIGHT was the way it was, SAFE wasn't that way.  I feel bad that so many people were abused in STRAIGHT but I'm sorry to say that people need to deal with their "feelings" and move on from it instead of dwelling in the "PAST".....
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