Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
NATION OF BRATS
Anonymous:
It's too simple to blame the parents in all the cases. I agree with the article, but what about parents that seem to be doing everything right, stay at home mom,involvement in school, sports, homework, family dinner, church, etc., and still has a teen that is not just being a normal testy teen, but on a death wish? The article is an enticer in a way. Buy his book and get fixed.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-02-08 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you think most, if not all, of these families haven't gone the family therapy route, think again. Many of those family therapists have recommended this type of Program. Psychiatrists won't because their solution is an ADD/ODD or bi-polar diagnosis and are "pill happy." You obviously don't have first hand experience of the positive results.
Stephen Covey wrote a wonderful book called The 7 Habits of Highly Successful Families. Many of those parents also read, but did not apply these habits. You've gotta have the 'buy in" of the whole family to make it work. You've gotta have 100% commitment to make it work.
What's your "solution" and can it be applied in the real everyday life of families in breakdown? "
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Bipolar disorder is genetic you frickin' MORON. You can't fix it by talking to the person who's got it, or programizing them, or anything *but* properly medicating them, and if you are stupid enough to think you can then you should have the government step in and take your kid or make you medicate your kid just like they give kids who need them transfusions regardless of what the idiotic fruitloop Christian Science parents think.
ADD/ODD may or may not be something the patient can manage without medication.
Bipolar disorder and schizophrenia are the really big major mental illnesses that are *only* responsibly treated with pills.
You fucking irresponsible IDIOT!!! Bipolars, left unmedicated, can go psychotic and KILL PEOPLE!!!!
Not medicating a bipolar with PILLS is Fucking Dangerous to the bipolar and everyone around him or her.
You're not just a motherfucking fool, you're a DANGEROUS motherfucking fool.
YOU are the reason TBS's need government control and strict oversight. Medicating a bipolar kid as "pill happy" indeed. Fucking moron.
Anonymous:
Yes, bi-polar absolutely needs medication, but how many kids are misdiagnosed at the age of 8 with bi-polar. This is moronic. If a kid truly is bi-polar the programs do help them with the behavioral highs and lows and have regular med checks, which is extremely important. Many kids have been mis-diagnosed as being bi-polar at a tender young age, that what that statement was about.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-02-08 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's too simple to blame the parents in all the cases. I agree with the article, but what about parents that seem to be doing everything right, stay at home mom,involvement in school, sports, homework, family dinner, church, etc., and still has a teen that is not just being a normal testy teen, but on a death wish? The article is an enticer in a way. Buy his book and get fixed. "
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If the home environment is sound and the teen is still loopy--beyond normal teenageness----then he/she may be mentally ill and need CBT or, if that is inappropriate to the diagnosis or doesn't fix the problem, medication.
The teen, if he/she is dangerous to self or others, may need to be hospitalized for just long enough to get him/her stabilized on medication, and outpatient treatment thereafter.
There are no controlled, independent, scientific studies indicating that programs are any better then placebos at treating serious mental health problems.
There *are* controlled, independent, scientific studies supporting a course of CBT as effective in treating depression and some anxiety-based problems.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-02-08 18:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, bi-polar absolutely needs medication, but how many kids are misdiagnosed at the age of 8 with bi-polar. This is moronic. If a kid truly is bi-polar the programs do help them with the behavioral highs and lows and have regular med checks, which is extremely important. Many kids have been mis-diagnosed as being bi-polar at a tender young age, that what that statement was about. "
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I've seen a *lot* of false negatives on bipolar diagnoses---the doctor sees the patient and thinks he's looking at something other than bipolar disorder for a long time until he finally sees a manic or hypomanic episode.
I've *never* seen a false positive diagnosis of bipolar disorder. It's genetic. If you have it at thirty, you had it at eight---it just wasn't recognized.
The reason psychiatrists are diagnosing bipolar disorder earlier is that more and more family and long-term data is available to assist them in knowing it when they see it in younger patients.
The reason it's important to medicate even young bipolars is because a growing body of evidence indicates that manic episodes do actual brain damage and worsen the disease in the patient---medicating the disease not only suppresses the symptoms, it prevents the condition from worsening.
If a kid has bipolar disorder, he/she should be medicated properly so that there *are* no highs and lows. If there are highs and lows, you call the doctor and he calls you back and adjusts your dose accordingly.
Inpatient treatment is NOT necessary merely to feed a bipolar patient his or her pills.
Mentally ill adults have the legal *right* to have their mental illness treated in the least restrictive setting that can provide effective treatment.
Institutionalizing a child for an illness that could be dealt with effectively in a less restrictive setting may, for now, be legal, but it's also absolutely immoral, unethical, and abusive.
There's no reason on earth to stick a bipolar who's stable on medication in an institution somewhere. It's a waste of money, and a vile waste of the child's childhood.
I do believe in Outpatient Commitment, where a patient who won't take his or her medication is involuntarily committed and restabilized and released until and unless he/she goes off his/her medication again. If the patient is habitually resistant to taking his/her medication, I do believe in inpatient commitment for that patient.
For bipolar teens stable on medication, institutionalization is unnecessary.
For bipolar teens who *need* inpatient treatment to stabilize them, I've seen *nothing* from the various programs to indicate their competence to be the facilities providing that treatment.
If *my* child needed inpatient care to stabilize her in such a situation, I would not trust anything but a *real* mental hospital or ward of a *real* hospital.
I certainly wouldn't trust any facility that also accepted kids whose problems were on the order of shoplifting, screwing around, smoking pot, skipping school, or vandalism.
Delinquents, nuts, and delinquents who are also nuts belong in separate facilities. A facility that tries to be all things to all people is unlikely to be providing appropriate care to any of them.
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