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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2004, 02:10:00 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2004, 04:34:00 AM »
(Quote: "If you ran away, they sent private escorts after you to track you down, cuff you and bring you back."(Quote)

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REAL boarding schools do not send escorts (sic) to HUNT down kids. They call the police who will search for the child and when found, give the child an opportunity to explain what's going on and call their parents.  Bounty hunters just go get them and bring the "runaway" back to the compound.
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2004, 12:16:00 PM »
Someone refresh my memory.  Is Boundary County, Idaho, the place where Ruby Ridge happened?
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2004, 01:41:00 PM »
Yes, it is.  Northwest Academy and Acent are  located on the same ridge.  Scary, don't you think.
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2004, 02:56:00 AM »
id RATHER be behind bars than in one of those schools...its kinda funny how for example a murderer gets phones calls and gets visits from FRIENDS and family but yet an innocent teenager CAN NOT!!
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2004, 10:49:00 AM »
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Mom and dad aren't sending junior off to get fixed. They are each doing their own work to bring the family back together. What don't some of you understand about that?


Are you sure we're the ones missing something here? Maybe you're not accutely aware of it, but most of the people you're debating w/ are over the hill veterans of this industry.

We've been shootin' the shit and comparing notes on various levels through these forums and in real life for a number of years now. One thing I think most of us would agree on is that this "treatment" modality that you hope will bring your family back together again has a sorry track record for doing that.

You want to know what your family reunion will look like in 20 years? Just spend some time reading over these fora. We've been there and back again and, in our experience, the Program definitely did not have a positive impact on our family relations!

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2004, 10:54:00 AM »
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Another thing, someone said that 85% of high school students have tried drugs. Does that make it okay?


85% roughly AND this has been the case since we started keeping track in the early `70's AND the "epidemic of heroin overdose and addiction" forseuthed by Bobby Dupont and National Families in Action has failed to materialize.

All that taken together constitutes pretty damned compelling evidence of illicit drugs being far and away less harmful than the screeching "What about the chiiiiiiiilllllllldddrrrreeeeennnnnnn!?!?!?" crowd wants us all to believe.

A student burst into his office.  "Professor Stigler, I don't believe I deserve this F you've given me."  To which Stigler replied, "I agree, but unfortunately it is the lowest grade the University will allow me to award."
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2004, 11:51:00 AM »
Mr. Hallam, you have my deepest respect and admiration. Thanks for all the detail. I don't know how you managed it, but you seem to have made it through without losing your mind at all.

Your telling of the story illustrates something I think is very important. There are some notable differences between the CEDU model and the Seed/Straight model.

For one, our parents were more directly involved in the Program. There were weekly or twice weekly open meetings; on 2nd phase of the program (couple of months in, usually) we'd either go home to live with our parents (who also had to meet certain criteria to be allowed to have us home) under Program rules and w/ higher phase Program clients to surveil and enforce the Program.

Our days were filled with endless rap sessions where we sat in straight rows of hard chairs, boys on one side of the room, girls on the other with a wide aisle between and facing staff at the front of the room. Work details were usually light work, like taking out trash, preparing meals, cleaning bathrooms. Usually, these "responsibilities" were handed out as rewards for compliance. In fact, there were levels between new newcomer and 2nd phase. Newcomers w/ talk got a 5 minute monitored conversation with their parents after open meeting. Newcomers w/ T&R (talk and responsibilities) could walk to the bathroom and food line w/o an oldcomer holding onto the back of their pants and could do some of these chores under direct, eyeball supervision of an oldcomer.

But the similarities in those essential elements of Program seem to have remained remarkably intact over the course of 3 decades and half a continent.

Straightlings, Seedlings and most KoNJ ppl will recognize the following.
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Even naming a restricted band resulted in punishment.

Ditto. Also, you couldn't use the term "man" slang. I believe "No druggie slang" was a stated rule, repeated at least twice a day at Rules Rap. And you couldn't use the "you" pronoun, only "I".

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Severe dress codes were in effect, banning logos, any clothes with words on them, the color black, baggy clothes, suggestive clothes, jewelry, long hair in boys, hair dye, sideburns were limited, buzz-cuts, mohawks, shaved heads, all banned.

Ok, it my day, it was no tight jeans, no concert T-Shirts (Seed) no shirts with writing on them (Straight... except, of course, for those stooopid Izon LaCross golf shirts) No jewelry, except for a watch for 3rd phase and up (third phase was school or work) No long hair on boys, girls had to wear barrettes. Oh, and no flip-flops. Never did really understand that one.

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Students recieved punishments for untucked shirts, unparted hair.

And, of course, any fashion detail not covered in the stated rules was subject to confrontation and conjecture by any staffer, parent, other client or the whole group. No one dared wear black, I don't think.

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This was supposed to mbe to help keep the focus on emotional growth and to not hide behind an image, ...

Again, verbatim!

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but was just an exercise in conformity, to forcing kids to adapt to the counselors demands. Speech patterns, suspicious nicknames, hand gestures, anything that couold be consedered image-driven, was banned. I was once banned from the library because rather than spend time moitoring other students for signs of dissent, I liked to read. Alone. I was banned from being alone. To discourage revolt. students were routinrly banned specifically from anyone they formed a close friendship with.

No cliquing. Also, without stating it outright, being alone was prohibited except when staff would order someone isolated in a "timeout" room. There were rules about never taking your eyes off a newcomer, and oldcomers nearly always had newcomers. There were rules about how many time a day or week you must call another client--"Dime Therapy", they called it. In order to advance through 4th phase, you had to spend your days off on "permissions". Permission were planned field trips into the real world in the company of other clients and at least one parent. They were compulsory and they had to be requested a week in advance in triplicate and approved (or not, usually w/o explanation) by Sr. Staff. No other activity was ever permitted. Parents would get confronted in parents' group after open meeting for stopping for gas w/ a phaser in the car (even their own kid) w/o checking it out w/ staff.

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Any restriction (table, couch, pit, wherever) was met with automatic bans from younger levels of students who might be les brainwashed.

No newcomers talking to newcomers. One could become a "newcomer" again by edict of staff for anything or nothing. I've seen people started over from 4th phase (i.e. pretty damned close to the door) for having a "hard face" (absent that blissful, empty headed grin that became part of our uniform) and for refusing to divulge what staff deemed their real thoughts when confronted about it.

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I was once accused of excessive masturbating, and forced to ask an older student or staff's permission to escort me to the bathroom and monitor my activity. The reason for this was because I spent a lot of time in the bathroom in order to just be alone. I was ridiculed, known thereafter by my peers as the "bathroom escort masturbator".


I can easily envision you (whatever you look like) being escorted to the guys' bathroom by an oldcomer in the warehouse on Cattleman Rd in Sarasota Florida. Same shit, different corporate logo.

Welcome to the club. I bet you do hook up w/ the necessary witnesses, legal talent and all the rest to bring suit. Please do bug your lawyer for any info that we can publish here and/or elsewhere.

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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2004, 06:50:00 PM »
I've always had a problem with people that get pets and then just disregard them when they no longer are pleasing to them.. for me getting a pet is a commitment for life - even for the ugly wart covered later years when then need lots of care and compassion...

how much more valuable are children? - even with their warts and imperfections- and how about our own?
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2004, 02:53:00 AM »
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"It all comes down to 2 simple reasons:



There is no excuse for abuse.



Children are not property.  They can not be traded, sold or given away under the guise of "helping families heal".

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All these bible-thumping teen helpers who think they have a "calling" to straighten out wayward teens should take a lesson from LOVING THEM TO DEATH.  This is the legacy of your gospel of ignorance and denial.  

http://outside.away.com/magazine/1095/10f_deth.html

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2004, 09:58:00 AM »
What ever happen to Cartisano?  Has he been held accountable for his actions?
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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2004, 11:20:00 AM »
~Parents who have a good relationship with their kids can usually get their kids back on the right track without the need for long-term placement. It's the parents who do not have a good relationship with their kids that are the prime candidates for these programs. ~

True. Absolutely.  *But* when a kid gets into the kinds of problems drug use brings about, the previously good relationship goes bad.  Quickly.  Its not the parents fault.  


~Remember, itis only the teenagers whose parents can afford private boarding school that get sen away. All other teenagers are allowed to tough out the rough years. Iwas one of those teenagers and so were my kids. My point is that we turned out great!!!!~

Good for you guys. I happen to have survived a lot of teenage indiscretions as well. Most of my friends did too. But some didn?t. Some died and some are in prison. I have a couple first cousins who are homeless street people thanks to drug addiction and no funds to pay for rehab. They?ve had the standard two weeks here and a month there - but it takes long term intervention to turn the tide on a problem this serious, and the money wasn?t there. Its really is so sad. One has pretty much vanished. No one has any idea where he is or if he?s still alive. The other is herd from on occasion, tho few and far between. He showed up for GranMa?s funeral. He was filthy and stunk very badly and looked so sad and ashamed. He is such a sweet guy. Smart, good natured and soft hearted; but seriously strung out.
I saw my son heading down that road. I had come into some money. Are you saying I should have let him go his ?merry way? and hoped for the best?

If so, then I disagree. I wish the One teen program didn't exist; and those that are like it; but that there is a true need for teen rehab programs is in my mind beyond doubt.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2004, 11:49:00 AM »
I have started a campaign to help the Teen Help Industry.  You guys are my poster boys.  You are the reason why there are teen help programs.  This country is scared to death of people like you, and this is why they are doing what they can to help the  up and coming generation.  

You may be beyond help (I would debate that you are not) and many people see you as the next Jeffrey Dalhmeir, or the next Scott Patterson.  You are scaring people into going to drastic levels to help the next generation.

Everytime you write your vile on this forum you give more reason to for those behind the Teen Help Industry to continue to grow and expand.  You give parents more reason to send their son or daughter to a program because they certainly dont want their child to turn out to be like you!

Keep up the good work poster boy!
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2004, 01:16:00 PM »
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"I have started a campaign to help the Teen Help Industry.  You guys are my poster boys.  You are the reason why there are teen help programs.  This country is scared to death of people like you, and this is why they are doing what they can to help the  up and coming generation.  



You may be beyond help (I would debate that you are not) and many people see you as the next Jeffrey Dalhmeir, or the next Scott Patterson.  You are scaring people into going to drastic levels to help the next generation.



Everytime you write your vile on this forum you give more reason to for those behind the Teen Help Industry to continue to grow and expand.  You give parents more reason to send their son or daughter to a program because they certainly dont want their child to turn out to be like you!



Keep up the good work poster boy!"


Can the "teen help" industry come up with a program that would successfully teach you to spell and use proper grammar?
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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2004, 01:32:00 PM »
According to this news article, back in the late 90's early 2000, Carisano was apparently involved with 2 now-defunct programs in the South Pacific.

http://www.starbulletin.com/1999/09/29/ ... .html#jump
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