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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2004, 02:38:00 AM »
THe Teen Help Industry is here because they aren't bound by insurance companies telling the parents what kind of help they can get and for how long. They are around because the parents are no longer willing to sedate or medicate their child and know healing occurs by taking on what they learn as a family because of these programs.  THey know it's much harder than masking the symptoms with meds, but they do it because they love their child.  

If there was an easy answer to all the breakdowns we wouldn't need to learn how to rebuild the family. Family IS family, not parents against teens, teens against parents in most of these programs and schools. It's the WHOLE family.

Mom and dad aren't sending junior off to get fixed.  They are each doing their own work to bring the family back together.  What don't some of you understand about that?
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2004, 03:02:00 AM »
Well, ya gotta love these program apologists.  Always insisting that putting their child in a program is the key to bringing families back together again. Of course, no one really believes this, least of all the kid spending the better part of his/her adolescence helping their parents grow up.  

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2004, 03:22:00 AM »
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"Well, ya gotta love these program apologists.  Always insisting that putting their child in a program is the key to bringing families back together again. Of course, no one really believes this, least of all the kid spending the better part of his/her adolescence helping their parents grow up.  



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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2004, 09:19:00 AM »
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On 2004-02-06 23:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"THe Teen Help Industry is here because they aren't bound by insurance companies telling the parents what kind of help they can get and for how long. They are around because the parents are no longer willing to sedate or medicate their child and know healing occurs by taking on what they learn as a family because of these programs.  THey know it's much harder than masking the symptoms with meds, but they do it because they love their child.  



If there was an easy answer to all the breakdowns we wouldn't need to learn how to rebuild the family. Family IS family, not parents against teens, teens against parents in most of these programs and schools. It's the WHOLE family.



Mom and dad aren't sending junior off to get fixed.  They are each doing their own work to bring the family back together.  What don't some of you understand about that?  "


Do you really believe even half of the program jargon you spout?

"healing occurs"  "taking on"  "doing their own work"

"Bring[ing] a family back together" by shipping the kid several states away is like trying to bring a marriage back together by shipping the husband and wife several states away from each other.

Real, effective family therapy needs the family under the same roof.

It needs to be illegal to involuntarily commit a kid to residential treatment unless the kid has been convicted of a crime (and the incarceration period is proportional), or is actively suicidal, or is an immediate risk of violent harm to others, or is provably addicted to an illegal psychoactive drug.

Note that is *addicted*--not just showing signs of having used at some point.

I want what you and people like you do to kids to be *illegal*--because it's already unethical, IMO.

What don't *you* understand about *that*?
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2004, 03:15:00 PM »
If a kid is convicted of a crime don't they go to juvenile jail?  Residential Treatment Centers aren't for kids who are convicted of a felony, as most won't accept them.  What you listed as criteria for an admission is not what most of these places will accept.  Leave that to inpatient treatment, then transfer to an RTC.

Another thing, someone said that 85% of high school students have tried drugs.  Does that make it okay?
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2004, 03:26:00 PM »
I'm sure there's a lot of abuse going on out there, does that make it ok?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2004, 05:48:00 PM »
What, kids try drugs?  Have sex?  Don't want to go to church on Sunday, anymore? Break Curfew Laws? Sneak out of the house (after helping themselves to a few bucks out of Mom's wallet)? Not good behavior, but what do you expect?  These are teenagers, not adults.  Taking risks, testing boundaries, that's what teens do.  It's only after learning from their mistakes, that teens morph into responsible adults.  Teens who don't do any of these things, obviously are the kind of kids most parents would love to have.  But it's not realistic.  Teens will be teens and the majority of them do these things, or least try.  Using drugs, alcohol, having unsafe sex, ditching school and church, is not good for anybody.  Parents who have a good relationship with their kids can usually get their kids back on the right track without the need for long-term placement.  It's the parents who do not have a good relationship with their kids that are the prime candidates for these programs.  Look at the statistics.  These places are full of mostly white, well-to-do kids whose parents have lost control and are desperate to get it back.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2004, 11:39:00 PM »
Now you listen here you...no kid of mine is gonna do that stuff and git away with it, no sir. I'll whip their little asses RAW first! There ain't nuthin' wrong with a little discipline... :rofl:

(Just kidding, BTW)
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2004, 12:05:00 AM »
Good shot, Froderick.  Can I give it a try?

"Listen you spoiled, ungrateful kid ... I work my ass off to support you and your sister while your no-good dad is busy screwing his new wife who is not much older than you, by the way.  You either play by my rules or you are going to a program, got it?"
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2004, 02:05:00 AM »
To Parents Considering Private Boarding Schools, CAVEAT EMPTOR (Buyer Beware).

Posted: 2004-02-06 12:26:00  
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CEDU talked about changes; they made changes, then they went straight back to the old model. Why? Because the dim-wit CEDU staff revolted. If you send a child there, he or she will experience softer raps, softer propheets that are still straight out of hell mental torture and brainwashing. The clinical people don't run the show. In fact, they are a sideshow. I was part of it.

The SCHOOLS are overrun with high school drop out "counselors" and high school graduate "counselors", trained by uneducated people to practice dangerous clinical therapy such as Bio-Energetics, Gestalt Therapy and Reality Therapy who are abusive, hyperreligious maniacs, hungry for power, who have no ethics and enforce mental torture exactly like that given in chinese mind control camps as discussed by author Robert Lifton in "Thought Control and the Psychology of Totalism." Hell would be better than CEDU - Now Or Ever. It is in Idaho because Idaho is backward, racist, homophobic, anti-human rights, lost in the 1940's -- Child abuse, like in Utah, is covertly legal here. That is why all the worst schools go into business here and in Utah. We dont have Famous Potatoes. We have famous prison camps for children who have done nothing wrong, who have rich, lazy, narcisistic parernts who would rather make money than raise children. You know who you are. I am a Psychotherapist. Don't trust any private boarding school for teens - especially in Idaho.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2004, 05:08:00 PM »
Remember, itis only the teenagers whose parents can afford private boarding school  that get sen away.  All other teenagers are allowed to tough out the rough years.  Iwas one of those teenagers and so were my kids.  My point is that we turned out great!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2004, 08:02:00 PM »
Good point Anon to which I would like to add that in my opinion, too many parents who can afford the hefty price tag attached to private programs equate the cost with QUALITY.  Well, I got news for those parents. Try kicking the tires a little harder and taking a closer look under the hood of these expensive programs before you sign on the dotted sign.

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2004, 09:12:00 PM »
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"Good point Anon to which I would like to add that in my opinion, too many parents who can afford the hefty price tag attached to private programs equate the cost with QUALITY.  Well, I got news for those parents. Try kicking the tires a little harder and taking a closer look under the hood of these expensive programs before you sign on the dotted sign.



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That is dotted line (not sign). Hopefully, ya'all figured that out and that sometimes, these posts have a way of writing themselves???  :rofl:
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2004, 10:28:00 PM »
Posted: 2004-02-08 19:18:00  
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I've seen a *lot* of false negatives on bipolar diagnoses---the doctor sees the patient and thinks he's looking at something other than bipolar disorder for a long time until he finally sees a manic or hypomanic episode.

I've *never* seen a false positive diagnosis of bipolar disorder. It's genetic. If you have it at thirty, you had it at eight---it just wasn't recognized.

The reason psychiatrists are diagnosing bipolar disorder earlier is that more and more family and long-term data is available to assist them in knowing it when they see it in younger patients.

The reason it's important to medicate even young bipolars is because a growing body of evidence indicates that manic episodes do actual brain damage and worsen the disease in the patient---medicating the disease not only suppresses the symptoms, it prevents the condition from worsening.

If a kid has bipolar disorder, he/she should be medicated properly so that there *are* no highs and lows. If there are highs and lows, you call the doctor and he calls you back and adjusts your dose accordingly.

Inpatient treatment is NOT necessary merely to feed a bipolar patient his or her pills.

Mentally ill adults have the legal *right* to have their mental illness treated in the least restrictive setting that can provide effective treatment.

Institutionalizing a child for an illness that could be dealt with effectively in a less restrictive setting may, for now, be legal, but it's also absolutely immoral, unethical, and abusive.

There's no reason on earth to stick a bipolar who's stable on medication in an institution somewhere. It's a waste of money, and a vile waste of the child's childhood.

I do believe in Outpatient Commitment, where a patient who won't take his or her medication is involuntarily committed and restabilized and released until and unless he/she goes off his/her medication again. If the patient is habitually resistant to taking his/her medication, I do believe in inpatient commitment for that patient.

For bipolar teens stable on medication, institutionalization is unnecessary.

For bipolar teens who *need* inpatient treatment to stabilize them, I've seen *nothing* from the various programs to indicate their competence to be the facilities providing that treatment.

If *my* child needed inpatient care to stabilize her in such a situation, I would not trust anything but a *real* mental hospital or ward of a *real* hospital.

I certainly wouldn't trust any facility that also accepted kids whose problems were on the order of shoplifting, screwing around, smoking pot, skipping school, or vandalism.

Delinquents, nuts, and delinquents who are also nuts belong in separate facilities. A facility that tries to be all things to all people is unlikely to be providing appropriate care to any of them.

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Thanks Anon, this is very good information and I hope it helps parents to steer clear of programs and treatment modalities that are unsafe and ineffective.  Urggggh. Why can't there be a moratorium imposed on the Teen Help Industry until these kinds of issues are resolved? Kids lives are on the line, you would think that would be enough to warrant a nation-wide clamp down on the industry.
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2004, 12:30:00 AM »
can i sue?
Posted: 2004-02-09 07:30:00  
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 This is a serious inquiry.
I want to know if there is any hope of settling a lawsuit against CEDU school.
I am not a money-grubber, just a concerned ex-student who wants to see CEDU take it where it hurts, their wallet.
Let me explain.
I attended CEDU high school, California for nearly three years.
The years in question were 1995-1997.
During that time, I experience uncountable atrocities, abuses and brainwashings.
I completed the full program, including every single profeet they have to offer, finishing with their week-long summit workshop.
I graduated their program thanks to having a stubborn mother who ignored my constant tearful pleas to remove me from the program. She was under advisement from the staff to ignore all my requests, and dismiss my claims as lies. She continued to do so even after I advanced in the program and was no longer monitored on phone calls. She was lied to. Even today, when I tell her that everything I ever told her was true, and that I have nothing to gain by telling her that now, she goes white-faced and silent and tells me she does not want to talk about it.
During my stay at CEDU, I was placed on a "table restriction" for an entire month. This remains the longest restriction I have ever known anyone to have been on. I sat on a hard wooden bench, no cushioning, in the dining room to face the ridicule of my peers. Every night I got the hardest, dirtiest, nastiest washroom jobs possible. By day I labored in freezing conditions, clearing a "nature trail" a good four miles of deep woods trail blanketed by two feet of solid snow and ice. I did this even though it was the dead of winter and no one bothered to go on the trail. On another "work assignment", I dug a rain-trench and hauled rocks across campus by wheelbarrow (saving the school contracting fees to get it done professionally) in the hot summer sun while "good" kids got to lay on blankets on the grass, play guitar and eat candy and watch me work. To add insult to injury, while I walked by counselors would lean over the balcony and yell at me to move faster while kids laughed, watching me try to run with a wheelbarrow full of rocks. I hauled buckets of them to landscape a tiny, dirt-filled pavilion observable when walking into the dining hall, in preparation for parent visits, to help make things pretty. During this assignment I dislocated my wrist, and for weeks was unable to even lift my notebook for school. This did not stop them. Collapsing into bed that first night after dislocation, I was awake all night crying because I thought my wrist was broken. They ridiculed me when I reported it, refusing to stop making me work, also refusing me pain medication (thought I might like it, maybe)
During sporting events, I was forced into a swimming pool on a rainy, forty degree day. The water was so cold my leg cramped up and I couldn't walk without a limp for months. In fact for up to a year afterward, whenever I went for a walk the pain would return. Nevertheless, they continued to force me to train for their wilderness trip. "Training" consisted of forcibly running three miles, three times a week plus sprinting in the parking lot and up a seventy degree angled hill (the hill to the "non potable water supply" cedu students will know what I mean). The trip itself was two weeks of hell. I was forced to hike no less than ten miles a day for the first week. At the end of the first day, due to equipment malfunction, (cheap thirty year old frame packs can't distribute weight well) I reported that my feet were masses of blisters. I was told "pad em up, move em out", and had to walk on them while they burst unter my weight, causing excruciating pain. It felt like walking on hot coals all day. I was not allowed to rest them, let alone stop the trip. One of my friends accidentally spilled boiling water on his leg, causing second degree burns. He was not allowed to leave the trip either, let alone have the injuries medically treated. Within a couple days, his blistered legs were draining a large amount of foul-smelling, pus-like discharge. He still went untreated, having to clean the wounds in dirty, parasite-filled streams which we couldn't even drink without chemically treating. Staff did not care. Another trip I wasn't on had their packs mauled by bears in the night who ate most of their already meager food. During my four days of forced isolation on the trip, I was given water, a bag of granola and two cereal bars a day. I was not allowed to take any other food. I slept on the ground under a tarp with no sides, despite nearly stepping on a rattlesnake two days earlier. We were so deep in the wilderness that I observed a wild wolf drink from the stream a few feet from where I sat. A full-grown bear charged down the hill ten feet away from me, chasing what I never knew. Thank god he didn't see me, or I would be another casualty. I was later told we were constantly monitored by counselors, but I never saw them.
Due to my alleged noncompliance with the program, I had to repeat this wilderness event two more times. Most students only do it once, and consider it the hardest thing they ever do. I did it three times. At the end of each time, I had to complete a nine mile run on the desert sun with no rest stops. The third trip I refused, due to the masses of blisters on my feet. Returning to school, I had a table restriction waiting. On my longest restriction, I completed at least a hundred full pages, front and back, of "writing assignment", intense personal information that I had to leave on my table at all times. Several times I would return from work assignments to find untrained staff or students reading them without my permission. If the counselors thought they weren't personal enough, they would tear them out and throw them away and make me rewrite them. During raps I was screamed at in front of other students about my personal issues by both counselors and students. In fact, untrained, unschooled student peers were regularly allowed to assist in working with other students on emotional growth issues. To encourage this, students would get punished, by which I mean more work, if they did not confront at least two students per rap on meaningful issues during the first few months of stay.
Also because of my so-called noncompliance, which really meant I observed no signs of brainwashing yet, having not learned to do everything everyone told me without question, I was dropped not one but two peer groups, each time extending my potential stay by six months. I would have had to watch my friends graduate without me, but there were so many runaways that they had to combine all three peer groups into one just to have enough to keep them going. I was told they would keep doing this until I complied. When I observed that I would eventually become 18 and be allowed to leave, they countered that they would get my mom to sign a paper saying I was incompetent to be a legal adult. I don't even know if this is possible, but by then was so mentally exhausted I believed it. I was verbally abused, sworn at, physically threatened. Phone calls were monitored in case I told my parents what was really going on, and limited to fifteen minutes every two weeks. Letters were read before sent, and only allowed if they met standards, which meant they could not contain pleas to leave. This would be considered not working with the program. Incoming letters were opened without permission and read before I ever recieved them, any offending material removed. If any gifts were sent by sympathetic family members, they were confiscated and kept by staff. Letters were restricted to family members only. Sex was not allowed, smoking was not allowed, even by 18 year old adults. Nearly all forms of music were banned. Even naming a restricted band resulted in punishment. Severe dress codes were in effect, banning logos, any clothes with words on them, the color black, baggy clothes, suggestive clothes, jewelry, long hair in boys, hair dye, sideburns were limited, buzz-cuts, mohawks, shaved heads, all banned. Students recieved punishments for untucked shirts, unparted hair. This was supposed to mbe to help keep the focus on emotional growth and to not hide behind an image, but was just an exercise in conformity, to forcing kids to adapt to the counselors demands. Speech patterns, suspicious nicknames, hand gestures, anything that couold be consedered image-driven, was banned. I was once banned from the library because rather than spend time moitoring other students for signs of dissent, I liked to read. Alone. I was banned from being alone. To discourage revolt. students were routinrly banned specifically from anyone they formed a close friendship with. Any restriction (table, couch, pit, wherever) was met with automatic bans from younger levels of students who might be les brainwashed. I was once accused of excessive masturbating, and forced to ask an older student or staff's permission to escort me to the bathroom and monitor my activity. The reason for this was because I spent a lot of time in the bathroom in order to just be alone. I was ridiculed, known thereafter by my peers as the "bathroom escort masturbator". We were contstantly punished if we ate more than a small amount of food, being accused of not letting others have their share, or "scarcity". If found guilty, plates would have to pass staff inspection. All the students were very thin, which was good for parents who liked to see improving body images, and mistook starvation for health. On parent visits, cooks would prepare more expenive and better quality food to promote the illuson we were eating well. On one occasion the entire school got food poisoning and spent two days suffering from uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea, often at the same time, as well as severe dehydration to the point of delirium. I personally remember speding the night crying and confused, my entire dorm (and every other) literally taking turns in the bathroom puking and shitting. At one point I passed out on the toilet and had to be awakened by a roommate who needed the bathroom. My roommated would talk to themelves, laugh at nothing and sing songs at the top of their lungs all night. I remember discovering that my blanket was all balled up and crying out loud because in my confusion I did not know how to straighten it out. I could hear crying coming from other dorms. I know I cried out loud a lot of times. Immediately after supper that first night,the first one to get sick went to the doctor. When the doctor suspected the cause might be a food-borne organism, the student was returned to school. No further students were permitted to seek medical attention, even though 95% got life-threateningly sick. I could not keep down fluid, I just kept throwing it back up again. I should have gotten an IV, but they wouldn't allow it. To this day I am amazed no one died. The next morning, staff told everyone NOT TO DRINK THE WATER!! I remember crying because I wanted water so badly. The staff insisted that the illness was in the water, and no one was to drink it. They said a truck was to come with bottle water. It never did. I was given one can of seven-up, which I could not keep down. Most students were too weak to get out of bed. Still, staff continued to insist it was "something in the water", and that we were to tell that to our parents if they asked. In a couple of days, they declared the water "treated" and forgot the incident. No one ever came to investigate our water supply, which came from an isolated tank on campus and could have been easily tested. It wasn't. I know this because we were forced to limit out showers to five minutes per person per day, on grounds that we might deplete the water supply. Not taking one shower a day was grounds for punishment also. In addition to all these rules and restrictions, staff could make up new ones on a whim. One staff placed a student on work assignments for asking if he was gay. Another put a kid on a whole week of dishes for "disagreeing". Parents would come up on designated days for the whole school, or had to request a visit in advance so the pleace could be "prepared" for them. Events never offered otherwise were trotted out for parents. Counselors would smile and mess up students hair.
It was sickening. The parents would go through their own profeets, except they would take place in comfy resort hotels. I had the opportunity to observe a part of one on one occasion. It was nothing more than a baby meditation exercise where the parents "went back to childhood" together and were told everything was okay. Then they gave each other hugs. They didn't even have to experience sleep deprivation. Yet they were told that they too had experienced the profeet, so they could see what we went through and get to bond about it with us. On the other hand, we were told that if we thought we were going to fall asleep, we should stand behind our chairs to stay awake all night. Same thing? You decide.

All of this and so much more it would take a whole book to write it all happened directly to me. These are not just stories. The stories I heard, about CEDU, Ascent, RMA, Suws and other such places could fill a book of their own, but I can't account for their validity. These things I wrote about I can, because I experienced them personally.
So does anyone here think I have grounds to sue the school, or do you think they have some kind of legal loopholes in place to avoid it. See, even now I am still paranoid that they'll get the upper hand. For months after I graduated, I suffered nightly nightmares that I had been enrolled again, or had to start over. I woke from those sweating and in terror. I understood what vietnam vets mean by flashback. The whole thing felt like POW camp. If you ran away, they sent private escorts after you to track you down, cuff you and bring you back. One kid made it to Germany and was still found. Others disappeared and their parents never heard from them again. IF they were 18, their parents were encouraged to disown them and not support them in any way. I saw several parents tell their kid to their face they would do this.

If anyone knows anything about suing, wants to, is trying, has tried, please let me know.
If anyone remembers any of these incidents, or has stories from CEDU or other schools, let me know. I am writing a book on the subject and may include other people's stories.
If anyone just wants to commiserate, I am available.

My e-mail is [email protected]

P.S. to Mark Waitt, Alyx Thorson, Joe Csapo and Anthony Musso- if you are alive and read this, please write me. They never let me contact you.

Jake Hallam
survivor

R.I.P. Heather Woods
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