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ISAC your information is NOT accurate....
Carey:
ISAC is only interested in telling you what they want you to hear. ISAC's web site is run similar to the WWASP website. They post what they want,they advertise what they want, they tell you only what they think you need to know.
Hey ISAC and Spots about that statement...the one I posted again right here...well it was an answer to someones question. More importantly, it was my answer to a question that was asked of me.
Someone asked me why I did not address the inaccuarcies I found on your site to you or anyone else at ISAC. Well that was my answer.
You can toot your horn all you want, but it has nothing to do with my answer to the anons question as to why I posted the statement here. Like I said I posted here because this is where people, INDIVIDUALS that is, are able to do so without any censorship.
Spots
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Hmmm...maybe that is why I followed the post with and "That was me." Maybe you just got lost on that. Might have been to hard for you to follow.
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[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-02-05 15:48 ]
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Anonymous:
Here we go round the mulberry bush, again.
Carey, you started this thread with:
?ISAC your information is not accurate. You better go back and check your information. If you don't have the details and facts straight you will be seen as less than creditable.?
This comment is obviously a confrontation directed specifically at ISAC on this, a public forum. What was your intention? I believe it?s more of your typical MO designed to incite argument, rather than share useful information.
What benefit did the comment have to the general public?
If your purpose was to disclose information that you believe to be inaccurate, then why not address it that way? Why not spell out the inaccuracies you found. Dear Public Readers at Fornits, I read a couple of pages at ISACs and discovered that they have a few things wrong about my specific situation. They are 1) blah, blah, blah 2) blah, blah, blah.
You make a vague comment and present NO facts and then have the nerve to ask someone else to be ?a little more specific?? And irony of ironies, you later defend again with this comment, ?Look, it is important that when you make an accusation that you have the facts to back it up.? I was wondering, why doesn?t that apply to you? Do you feel you have enough credibility to make blanket accusations and people will believe them without evidence or rationale?
This anon hit the mark with this, ?I should think that going to the source would be more suitable than posting a thread about it or did you have other intentions when you started the thread? Maybe you were hoping to have others see them as liars??
It appeared again that you had made a public accusation with no substance and defended it with, ?...nobody is baiting. I just like helping people out.? Helping out WHO? Who was the opening accusation helpful to?
And finally after at least two requests, you make this confession, ?Second, the information on the boys in at least one of those articles is innacurate. I have not finished reading the entire piece of work put together by ISAC.?
And who the fuck is ?everyone? in this comment, ? What makes everyone mad is the fact that they can not argue thier case....? NO.. that is not what makes ?EVERYBODY? HERE mad. SOMEbodies are mad/frustrated/disgusted/bored about/with the fucked up way you communicate on a public forum.
And then these lame and contradictory comments:
"I am sure that with what little I read, and the inaccuracies I found, there very well could be more.
There really is not anything on ISAC's site, other than the State Department's warning, that carries any weight.?
That?s a pretty bold accusation. Where are the ?facts? to back it up? Or, is it yet another exaggeration? And you warn others as to how they might gain/maintain credibility? Your accusation had NO credibility until you posted that personal information about YOUR SONS was wrong. The rest of your comments are further accusations that haven?t been proven and remain your opinion.
I know little about ISACs and after reading all your posts, know not a thing more, except that they may have gotten some of your information wrong. What a long-ass thread to read to get to that conclusion. THAT is the point SOME people are making. You've been asked on numerous ocassions to make your accusation and present the "facts" to substantiate it.
Anonymous:
Yes, who are the powers-that-be at ISAC and why would anyone trust information for sale? Really baaaaaaad move.
Anonymous:
(QUOTE) Message to ISAAC, you don't say anything until you are absoulutey sure of your facts....EVER. Then you carefully understate your position. Never assume or interpolate facts during an "investigation" and never release these facts until they can be verified by a third party source. Otherwise, what you have are "factoids", a rather dubious acheivement. Just because you write something down in report format does not make it credible. (QUOTE)
Damn good advice, Anon.
Carey:
Anon,
ISAC your information is not accurate. You better go back and check your information. If you don't have the details and facts straight you will be seen as less than creditable.
Nothing has changed, still a valid point!
My intention and the benefit - To let others know that what they find on ISAC is not the whole truth nothing but the truth....
--- Quote ---Carey, you started this thread with:
?ISAC your information is not accurate. You better go back and check your information. If you don't have the details and facts straight you will be seen as less than creditable.?
This comment is obviously a confrontation directed specifically at ISAC on this, a public forum.
If your purpose was to disclose information that you believe to be inaccurate, then why not address it that way?
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Because that is not the way I choose to address it.
--- Quote ---Do you feel you have enough credibility to make blanket accusations and people will believe them without evidence or rationale?
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Wow, now that is a good one. That is what you people do constantly!!!!!! ISAC'S whole site is nothing more than accusations...there is not a shred of evidence on it. They have one of Amberly's 3 sworn statements on it. How creditable is that? It is not. She is a known liar. But hey, if that is the best they have,then that is the best they have.
And you ask if I am creditable, well I have never lied. If you beleive Amberly, a known liar, then you don't beleive in truth you beleive in what you want to beleive in. Hey, but you know what, I can't control that.
I am helping out. I may not be helping you, but I am helping out. The people who read Fornets will be able to hear not just your side or the other side, but they will hear from someone who thinks outside the "boxes." I am trying to help people to think independently.
Sorry I have upset you so very badly...get over it, already!! :wave: Remember, keep your cool and stay in control of yourself...the only person you can control is you!
:wink:
ISAC is only interested in telling you what they want you to hear. ISAC's web site is run similar to the WWASP website. They post what they want,they advertise what they want, they tell you only what they think you need to know.
The inaccuacies are there! :wink:
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-02-05 19:44 ]
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