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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2004, 02:27:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-15 22:23:00, velvet2000 wrote:


Thanks anonymous. I think the difference between our forum and Kids/Straights forums is that AARC is still up and running and there are many new graduates. Those new graduates are still living near AARC, living with family who may still be a part of it etc. Those grads are all lurking these sites and contacting us privately but they don't want to post because they don't want to partake in the AARC atmosphere. They start posting when the AARC staff are quiet, and then the AARC staff start posting out of fear once those grads make their posts. You are right that it shows their true colors, and it's educational for outsiders to read such posts, and many posts are left on for that very reason. But all in all I'd really just like these new grads to know that they don't have to listen to that stuff anymore, and that they can come here to anonymously say how they feel without having a derogatory response. It's important right now that these grads have a place to do this. I'm sorry if it's offensive to some people, but the only posts which are deleted are the hostile ones or any post coming from the same IP as a person who has made a hostile post.



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I understand your feelings and commend you for wanting to create a safe haven for them, but in the end I think it does more harm than good.  It gives the pro-program people the excuse to say "See??  They're deleting posts that they don't agree with".  That's what THEY do.  TELL the recent grads that they don't have to listen to them anymore.  Let them SEE for themselves that the program has no power over them unless the allow it to continue.  One of the best ways to END that control is to take it back through open communication.  The more they're allowed to see what the pro people are posting, the more truth is revealed.
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2004, 06:15:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-15 22:23:00, velvet2000 wrote:



Thanks anonymous. I think the difference between our forum and Kids/Straights forums is that AARC is still up and running and there are many new graduates. Those new graduates are still living near AARC, living with family who may still be a part of it etc. Those grads are all lurking these sites and contacting us privately but they don't want to post because they don't want to partake in the AARC atmosphere. They start posting when the AARC staff are quiet, and then the AARC staff start posting out of fear once those grads make their posts. You are right that it shows their true colors, and it's educational for outsiders to read such posts, and many posts are left on for that very reason. But all in all I'd really just like these new grads to know that they don't have to listen to that stuff anymore, and that they can come here to anonymously say how they feel without having a derogatory response. It's important right now that these grads have a place to do this. I'm sorry if it's offensive to some people, but the only posts which are deleted are the hostile ones or any post coming from the same IP as a person who has made a hostile post.





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I understand your feelings and commend you for wanting to create a safe haven for them, but in the end I think it does more harm than good.  It gives the pro-program people the excuse to say "See??  They're deleting posts that they don't agree with".  That's what THEY do.  TELL the recent grads that they don't have to listen to them anymore.  Let them SEE for themselves that the program has no power over them unless the allow it to continue.  One of the best ways to END that control is to take it back through open communication.  The more they're allowed to see what the pro people are posting, the more truth is revealed.



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Absolutely! If they can't see the truth already.... I think that Josh guy is brilliant, so stop deleting my posts.[ This Message was edited by: BigJoshuaP on 2004-12-17 15:16 ]
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2004, 06:19:00 PM »
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Absolutely! If they can't see the truth already.... I think that Josh guy is brilliant, so stop deleting my posts.[ This Message was edited by: BigJoshuaP on 2004-12-17 15:16 ]"


Missing the point there big guy.  Why am I not surprised? :roll:
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2004, 01:56:00 AM »
"I understand your feelings and commend you for wanting to create a safe haven for them, but in the end I think it does more harm than good. It gives the pro-program people the excuse to say "See?? They're deleting posts that they don't agree with"."

Thanks, and I also understand your points, but continue to feel strongly about the way I've been choosing to host the board recently. AARC members may very well say "see", but they do know the truth. Quite a while back there were flyers posted around Calgary and an add in a paper with an 800 number for anyone who's suffered programming or brainwashing in a treatment facility. The same AARC people who post here went around tearing the flyers down and some called the number saying that it wasn't fair. This add said nothing about AARC. These guys know the truth, they'll only SAY "see" for the sake of argument.

 "That's what THEY do."

Precisely! It's only fair!

"TELL the recent grads that they don't have to listen to them anymore. Let them SEE for themselves that the program has no power over them unless the allow it to continue. One of the best ways to END that control is to take it back through open communication."

This is true. Unfortunately most grads don't want to hear one more word of it. They've just been through 1 or 2 years of being surrounded by it. I have a sibling who feels that way. They hated it so much that they chose to move on by not talking about it, not thinking about it, and when they are exposed to it again they just go off the handle.

"The more they're allowed to see what the pro people are posting, the more truth is revealed."

If this were a support forum for victims of incest or sexual abuse, members would most likely not choose to post on the same board as their particular abuser. We know the truth. We know who those people are, and we don't need to hear another word from them.

You and I - or anyone else who disagrees with deleting posts may never come head to head but I hope it doesn't deter you from contributing.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2004, 08:46:00 PM »
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Absolutely! If they can't see the truth already.... I think that Josh guy is brilliant, so stop deleting my posts.[ This Message was edited by: BigJoshuaP on 2004-12-17 15:16 ]"




Missing the point there big guy.  Why am I not surprised? :roll: "
Hmm... referencing intelligence? im a 139... what are you?
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2004, 08:53:00 PM »
148 :tup:
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2004, 12:19:00 AM »
Ah, the rocket surgeons on this site are truely amazing. I'll take compassion, understanding, and love over intelligence any day. Ahimsa
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2004, 12:20:00 AM »
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"148 :rofl: Im up there with several doctors... and the odds of you having that score is minimal, so pretend I didnt tell you mine, and make the number up again.[ This Message was edited by: BigJoshuaP on 2004-12-18 21:21 ]
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2004, 12:48:00 AM »
The WISC - R
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2004, 01:21:00 AM »
You a member?

http://www.mensa.org/home.php

I am.


Wait, is that a "lye" or a statistic?  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2004, 09:54:00 AM »
Wow, so you Einstein's must be bitchin' at Trivial Pursuit! I feel so inadequate. Unfortunately, addiction doesn't care how smart you are. Oh, well, keep up the fine examples of humility.
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2004, 01:06:00 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2004, 03:48:00 PM »
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"You a member?



http://www.mensa.org/home.php



I am.





Wait, is that a "lye" or a statistic?  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2004, 03:52:00 PM »
LOL there are 5 million elidgible people in the United States... I think you think that I think you are special, you are incorrect.
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2004, 06:27:00 PM »
:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: You're arguing with about 2 or 3 different people here.  Again, try to keep up. :lol:
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