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Offline Carmel

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« on: June 02, 2002, 07:16:00 PM »
I was just thinking, is it just me or does the US Government have a serious inclination towards declaring war on vague, sweeping, and generally intangible subjects?

The War on Drugs, The War on Terror...etc.  I personallly think the War on Terror is just as much of a crock of crap as the Drug War.  This country is guided by the media into beleiving that our oppression of these people is justified.  The country at large has no clue of the suffering and pain that has been inflicted upon so many nations by those that we more often than not have stood behind.  And mostly only for the sake of money and power.  Not for the benefit to the people.  Its no wonder they hate us enough to give their very lives in order to get at us.  Two wrongs do not make a right, but I think this country needs to open its eyes to the truth.  If government supports what Straight did to all of us, and thousands more....here on home soil and seemingly without regret, what do you think they have been capable of outside our borders?

Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2002, 07:54:00 PM »
A couple of more that come to mind:
 
The war on hunger - Still plenty of hungry people.
The war on poverty - still plenty of poor people.

I've been watching these drugs=terrorism commercials. What a crop of crap. The pot calls the kettle black!

2 years ago we gave $43.2 million dollars to the Taliban in Afghanistan to halt poppy production. Guess what? They grew more of it, and used the money to fight us and help pay for 9-11! That atrocity only cost the terrorists $500,000. Plenty left over.

I won't even get into the Iran-Contra scandal.

Last year the head of our govt task force against terrorism and drugs in Columbia got caught along with his wife mailing themselves kilo's of coke back to the U.S.

Same as it ever was. Sad.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2002, 08:05:00 AM »
The war on drugs would be a joke if it weren't for the misery, wasted resources,the culture of crime surrounding illegal drugs, and true victims of the war, people locked away in jails and "treatment centers" for extended times for little or  no reason.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2002, 09:52:00 AM »
There's an old proverb, well fed horses don't rampage.

A lot of us have tried to speak with out parents about the Program. And I think most of us would agree that the Program parents, with few exceptions, even all these years later and faced with information they may not have had (and were definitely disuaded from thinking about at the time) they STILL want/need to believe that what they did to us was necessary.

I've heard before that soldiers going in Vietnam thought we would win the war once the locals got to see firsthand what really, really nice boys our soldiers were. And it reminds me of the time when I was about 5 and set out to explore the world on my tricycle. I believed that if I waved and smiled to the people passing by then no one would hurt me. A neighbor found me about a half mile from home on a busy road. I didn't recognize her and fought and screamed as she dragged me into her car... no one stopped.

I think our fearless leaders have been so long so drunk with power they really aren't capable of seeing things from the others' point of view. I don't know what's going to happen, but I've located my family in a place where there are no synagogs*, just about any chunk of dirt you point to is fertile enough to support a truck garden and the terrain is such that, without regular and diligent road maintenance, it would be pretty nearly impassible, except on foot or by horseback, in just a couple of years.

* Sad that one has to add a disclaimer like this, and I'll still probably be accused, but such is life. I have nothing against jewish people. Having grown up in So. Florida, I know an awful lot of them and they're just like anyone; some really singularly wonderful people, some assholes. As a group, industrious, moral and decent. Not to mention, ya' gotta hand it to them for the cohesion of this culture without a homeland to rally around. BUT I don't have a horse in this race, either, so no compelling reason to plant myself in the middle of a target.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2002, 02:11:00 PM »
yes the ads: "If you do drugs you are contributing to terrorism in american and therefore are not a true american" make me want to HURL!

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2002, 02:30:00 PM »
Yeah, and in a way, those "truth" ads about smoking really creep me out.  I guess because they use that sort of "shock therapy" approach that we are all so familiar with.  

If you smoke you will die die die.

Well, if you breath too deeply for too long in downtown Houston you will die die die too!

I see the ideas behind cigarette smoke causing cancer....that may be so...but at the same time I see people who smoke all their lives and dont get cancer...and those who never smoke and do get it.  I feel that many people are just pre-disposed to cancer genetically and no matter how many broccoli bunches they ingest or glasses of orange juice they drink...they are going to get it.

Now a days everything will kill you and equally everything will cure you....and that changes according to the Big Profit Margin in the Sky.

Drugs will kill you, smog will kill you, smoke will kill you, salmon that are infused with pesticides will kill you.....all of a sudden, people seem to forget that in fact, WE ALL EVENTUALLY DIE.  The world is on a crusade to protect us from death.  It begs the question, "How did we all die way back in the day before cigarettes and nuclear power and DDT?".  

I know my opinions are a little out there....but bare with me.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2002, 03:29:00 PM »
I saw that drugs and terrorism commercial with my soon to be 14 year old daughter It was crap after I was done yelling at the TV about how stupid it was I asked my daughter what she thought of that one and the other commercials they have seeing as it is geared to her age group, She told me tht they were stupid and if she was gonna do drugs none of those would prevent it.  Kids make fun of the things.  I figured that was happening anyway but just had to check.  millions of dollars right down the crapper.


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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2002, 04:10:00 PM »
They know it's crap. They're desperate because the truth is getting out.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2002, 04:55:00 PM »
I don't think they're really geared to the kids. I think they're geared toward the juries who will be asked to convict the kids.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2002, 05:05:00 PM »
Thats exactly it...its so twisted....so so twisted.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2002, 11:24:00 PM »
SUN-SENTINEL of Fort Lauderdale - May 31, 2002 http://www.sun-sentinel.com/

Op-Ed:

WHO IS A TERRORIST?

by Wayne Smith

President Bush's speech in Miami on May 20 was new evidence that he is determined at all costs to win the votes of the hard-line exiles. Whatever policies and actions they want, he will try to give them.

But that has serious implications for the credibility of his war on terrorism. He describes for us, for example, a Manichaean world in which there are the good guys and the bad guys, the "terrorists." And as he has said over and over again, anyone who supports a terrorist, anyone who harbors a terrorist, is a terrorist.

But if we go by that definition, there may be terrorists right in the Bush family. In 1989, for example, the first President Bush went against the advice of his own Justice Department and canceled the deportation of arch-terrorist Orlando Bosch. Shortly thereafter, he set him free. Bosch was a Cuban exile who had been convicted in the U.S. of terrorist activities and spent four years in prison. Released in 1972, he then violated parole and fled to Latin America, ending up eventually in Venezuela, where in 1976 he was imprisoned for masterminding the bombing of a Cuban airliner with the loss of 73 lives, including virtually the entire Cuban fencing team.

The hard-line exiles in Miami loved it. In 1983, the Miami City Commission declared a "Dr. Orlando Bosch Day," apparently to honor him for his acts of terrorism.

Released from Venezuelan prison under strange circumstances in 1987, Bosch returned to Miami in 1988 without benefit of a visa and was almost immediately arrested for his earlier parole violation. The Immigration and Naturalization Service began proceedings to deport him. As the associate attorney general put it in 1989: "For 30 years, Bosch has been resolute and unwavering in his advocacy of terrorist violence."

This was not an idle statement. The Justice Department had information linking Bosch to more than 30 acts of sabotage and violence in the United States, Puerto Rico, Panama and Venezuela. As the associate attorney general pointed out: "The security of this nation is affected by its ability to urge credibly other nations to refuse aid and shelter to terrorists  We could not shelter Dr. Bosch and maintain that credibility."

The logic was unassailable, but , unfortunately, the case was not decided on the base of logic. Miami congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and the usual bevy of hard-line Cuban exiles weren't going to have it. They lobbied unrelentingly for Bosch's release. Among those in the forefront of the lobbying effort was Jeb Bush, then managing Ileana Ros-Lehtinen's election campaign. In the face of all this pressure, coming even from his own son, the first President Bush decided it was politically expedient to harbor a terrorist. Bosch was released and still lives freely and unrepentant in Miami.

And the case of Orlando Bosch is not an isolated one. Ros-Lehitnen has also urged the release of Valentine Hernandez, whose principal crimes were the murder of other exiles -- exiles who dared to advocate a dialogue with the Castro government. But Ros-Lehtinen thinks he should go free. And neither she nor Gov. Bush, by the way, have ever backed away from their support of Orlando Bosch.

And then there is the case of Luis Posada Carriles, who along with Bosch master-minded the 1976 bombing of the Cuban airliner. He, too, spent time in a Venezuelan prison, but escaped in 1985 and turned up in Central America working in Oliver North's secret Contra operation, along with Felix Rodriguez, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal with close ties to then Vice President Bush.

In 1998, Posada Carriles acknowledged in an interview with The New York Times that he had directed the bombing of a number of hotels in Havana the previous year which had resulted in the death of an Italian tourist. Though Posada Carriles confessed his culpability, no charges were ever filed against him in the U.S. Today, he is in prison in Panama, accused of involvement in a recent assassination plot against Fidel Castro.

These elements in Florida who have helped to harbor terrorists are President George W. Bush's closest political allies in the state. Indeed, some months ago, he nominated Ileana Ros-Lehtinen's chief of staff, Mauricio Tamargo, for an important position in the federal government. And Otto Reich, one of the hardest of the hard-line Cuban-Americans and a close associate of the Cuban American National Foundation, has been appointed assistant secretary of state for Latin Americans affairs. Roger Noriega, formerly of Sen. Jesse Helm's staff, is now our ambassador to the OAS. In short, those who have condoned terrorism now seem to be running our Latin American policy.

President Bush's admonition should be rephrased, now to read: "Anyone who has harbored a terrorist we don't like, is a terrorist. But anyone who harbors terrorists we do like is OK. In fact, we may have a place for them in our administration!"
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2002, 05:28:00 AM »
So they put together a comerical.. no paid actors maybe $5 a piece and then write off thousands of dollars for a theatrical representation of drug use/abuse in our country. Where is the money going? And if the borders are so goddamn tight either A: there not (possible probable) or B: all the drugs in this bitch the want here my choice C all of the above. what the fuck we are screwed. Religion and politics and money and politics do not mix!!! Time to take the money out of politics. That'll narrow down the applicants!!! :wink:
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2002, 12:03:00 PM »
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