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« on: January 09, 2004, 09:32:00 AM »
Bush Will Announce New Space Missions
Goals Include Moon Base and Eventual Manned Mars Mission
By SCOTT LINDLAW, AP

WASHINGTON (Jan. 8th) - President Bush will announce plans next week to send Americans to Mars and establish a permanent human presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night.



President Bush wants humans to return to the moon -- the last visit was in 1972 -- to build a space station.
Bush won't propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon; rather, he envisions preparing for the mission more than a decade from now, one official said.

In addition to proposing the first trip to the moon since December 1972, the president wants to build a permanent space station there.

Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks, including the space shuttle disaster last February that killed seven astronauts.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush's announcement would come in the middle of next week.

Bush has been expected to propose a bold new space mission in an effort to rally Americans around a unifying theme as he campaigns for re-election.

Many insiders had speculated he might set forth goals at the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' famed flight last month in North Carolina. Instead, he said only that America would continue to lead the world in aviation.

Earlier, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with Bush in Florida that the president would make an announcement about space next week, but he declined to give details.

It was the Columbia tragedy that helped force a discussion of where NASA should venture beyond the space shuttle and international space station. The panel that investigated the Columbia accident called for a clearly defined long-term mission - a national vision for space that has gone missing for three decades.

House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the panel ''haven't been briefed on the specifics'' of the plan but expected an announcement.

Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee, said he welcomed the move because he has tried to get the president more interested in space exploration.


''I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip to the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy,'' Hall said. ''As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with space'' and the science spinoffs it provides.

Engineers would have to build new spacecraft for the trips to and from the moon and Mars. If the Apollo-style mission design was adopted, there would also be the need for landing craft that would undock from the mother ship and touch down to the moon or Mars.

Mission plans, crew size and other factors would have to be considered in the design of such craft.

No firm cost estimates have been developed, but informal discussions have put the cost of a Mars expedition at nearly a trillion dollars, depending on how ambitious the project was. The cost of a moon colony would depend on what NASA wants to do on the lunar surface.

On Saturday, NASA landed a six-wheeled robot on Mars to study the planet. However, the Spirit rover is stuck because the air bags that cushioned its landing are obstructing its movement. A second rover named Opportunity was sent in its wake and should land on Jan. 24.

Asked Wednesday whether the success of the Mars rovers could lead to a human mission to Mars, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said, ''The rovers are a precursor mission - kind of an advance team - to figuring out what the conditions are on the planet, and once we figure out how to deal with the human effects, we can then send humans to explore in real time.''

While answering questions on the White House Web site, O'Keefe said interplanetary exploration depends on ''what we learn and whether we can develop the power and ... propulsion capabilities necessary to get there faster and stay longer and potentially support humans in doing so.''

In 1989 on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing, his father, the first President Bush, called for lunar colonies and a Mars expedition: ''I'm not proposing a 10-year plan like Apollo; I'm proposing a long-range, continuing commitment. ... For the new century: Back to the moon; back to the future. And this time, back to stay. And then a journey into tomorrow, a journey to another planet: a manned mission to Mars.''

The prohibitively expensive plan went nowhere.

No one, least of all members of Congress, knows how NASA would pay for lunar camps or Mars expeditions. When the first President Bush proposed such a project, the estimated price tag was $400 billion to $500 billion.

The moon is just three days away while Mars is at least six months away, and the lunar surface therefore could be a safe place to shake out Martian equipment. Observatories also could be built on the moon, and mining camps could be set up to gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on Earth.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, among others, has called for an expansion of the U.S. space program, including a return to the moon. The United States put 12 men on the moon between July 1969 and December 1972.

An interagency task force led by Vice President Dick Cheney has been considering options for a space mission since summer.

Former Ohio Sen. John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Earth, has said that before deciding to race off to the moon or Mars, the nation needs to complete the international space station and provide the taxi service to accommodate a full crew of six or seven. The station currently houses two.

At the same time, Glenn has said, NASA could be laying out a long-term plan, setting a loose timetable and investing in the engineering challenges of sending people to Mars. The only sensible reason for going to the moon first, he says, would be to test the technology for a Mars trip.

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 10:32:00 AM »
I wonder what the real agenda is for going back to the moon.  Buzz Aldren has testified that Aliens were present on the moon when they landed.  Also to this day Neil Armstrong won't do interviews about it at all. Also there is testimony that there is a Alien base on the dark side of the moon.  We only see one side of the moon.  It's rotation is matched to earth exactly.  

The big story here if people don't believe this stuff are the 300+ high level govenment and military people that have come forward and pushing the truth to be told to the world about what is really going on.  

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Check this out especialy the video of Military people giving their first hand stories.  It's listed in the "Latest" section.  

Very interesting, our government is lying to us.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2004, 10:39:00 AM »
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wonder what the real agenda is for going back to the moon.

I think WWASP is going to open up a rehab up there when Tranquility Bay gets shut down... :smokin:
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2004, 01:25:00 PM »
:lol:

Aliens on the moon. Moon mining, great. Imagine how romantic it will be to look up and see the moon all black and filled with mining equipment.

Vote Bush Out!!!

leave the aliens alone!

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2004, 08:53:00 PM »
Maybe Sembler will open the first privatized penal colony on moon.  He?ll be able to abuse people there because there are no laws on the moon.  Just think of all the money he can make!  WOW total autonomy to profit from abuse.  Hell while he?s there he can build the first strip mall too.  COOL, just what we need.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2004, 12:09:00 AM »
You guys have way to much free time...
Gonna have you called into group for next week, mmmkay?
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2004, 12:48:00 PM »
I'll be there with a sawed-off shotgun, and a case of beer!  ::cheers::
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