edmund muskie

[surfdal]

while i was being held captive by the seed in ft lauderdale on andrews ave, had to be 1971, i'm thinking , there came a time when presidential candidate edmund muskie came to visit to see the seed show for himself. as usual art came out to escort the influential guest and to put the seed monkeys thru their paces..usually by a show of hands that indicated agreement with or emphasized whatever particular bullshit point art was trying to make with his prospective mark and he asked.. " does anyone here think that marijuana should be legal?" ..my lone hand went up high..a gasp blew thru the crowd..ruroh..i had done it now.."ok dal stand up and tell us just what you mean" says art.."well i just dont believe possession of a flower justifies imprisoning a human being " i said..or there abouts..lol "thanks dal...i see no one else agrees. sit down"..
art and muskie leave and OMFUGGINGOD da shit hits the fan..."ok dal ..stand up.."WHERE DO YOU GET OFF???"(always wondered what that meant)...etc etc etc ..yall know what happened next..same old crap.. but i did wonder..afterward..something happened out in front of the seed with reporters and ed muskie that envolved him crying on camera and ultimately was the beginning of the end for his presidential candicacy ..does anyone remember what this incident intailed??? just curious on anyones take on any of this..strike any chords?

[GregFL]

I have a newspaper article somewhere on Muskie's visit. I think he called the Seed Remarkable or something. I am going to dig it up and reread it.

It was Idiots like Muskie that helped pushed our parents into believing the con. All types of authority figures, politicians, law enforcement members and celebrities helped put up the smoke screen of legitimacy in front of the dangerous cult of the Seed.

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[Anonymous]

That was a hell of a story dude.  

Congrats on having the awareness of the truth at that age, and to having the guts to say it.

 :exclaim:  :exclaim:

[echothis]

I was there when Muskie came through.  He and Art were sitting on stools.  We were at the old white house in Fort Lauderdale sitting outside (as usual) as they were seated in front of us.  I was maybe 3 rows back but in line with them.  
Art had a select few Seedlings stand up and tell their stories about past drug use and how the Seed Saved them.  The cameras were rolling and Muskie got emotional ::mecry:: because of these stories.  The place was packed with kids.     I think the only thing you could see with the finished product was up close shots of Art and Muskie.  

Do we know each other??? :wave:

[Thom]

What I remember about the Muskie thing was that he was accused of making reference to a comment he had made during his '68 VP bid w/Humphrey while visiting The Seed during the next campain. [The ironic thing was that Muskie's outburst was provoked by one of Nixon's dirty tricks?a letter in the Union Leader alleging he called French Canadians "Canucks"?a derogatory term to some?plus an article saying his wife drank, smoked, and cursed in an "unladylike" way.] (taken from http://www.goodbyemag.com/mar/muskie.htm)
in '72, while running for Pres., this stuff was dragged up again, and Muskie got emotional. ::mecry:: This was viewed as (or presented by his detractors as) a sign of weakness, and not very 'Presidential' sort of like Howard Dean last year saying "yipee!"

When the story broke, Art flew up to Maine to defend Muskie against the attacks by the press. There was another emotional scene  :cry2:  which pretty much ended his bid as he was viewed as unstable. Just goes to show how screwed up our society has become when it is viewed as weakness when a person, especially a man, emotes in public. It's like we want non-feeling robots filling our leadership spots.

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[Ft. Lauderdale]

Thom- thats about how I heard it, saw it in magazines and newspaper articals.

[Antigen]

Or maybe we want strong leaders w/ enough discretion to not make themselves vulnerable or lay open their private affairs in inapropriate, public situations.

But that would be contrary to Program dogma about the virtue of powerlessness and habitual confession to relative strangers.
 :roll:

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[Ft. Lauderdale]

Antigen- If your husband cries at a sad or moving movie- do you laugh at him?  I don't get your response??? ::

[Ft. Lauderdale]

The guy was moved by his experience at the seed.
I think anyone would be lying if they wern't touched by an event or something happening there.
In fact I bet everyone on this site shed a tear or two while they were there. ::mecry::

[Antigen]

On 2005-02-15 12:16:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:

"Antigen- If your husband cries at a sad or moving movie- do you laugh at him?  I don't get your response??? :: "

No, but he's not running for public office. And I'm pretty certain that if he did he'd run on a solid platform, not tear jerking emotional manipulation.

We do shake our heads and mutter, though, every time a yenzer gets on TV and starts the waterworks. Happens every damned time, too! That Joe Schmo guy, where the guy thought it was reality tv but he was the only one who wasn't a hired actor? He cried. So did some football star when he had the spotlight. I tell ya, just about the only famous yenzer not to cry on national tv, given the chance of course, was Fred Rogers. I wish I'd given him more respect when he was around.

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


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[Antigen]

On 2005-02-15 12:18:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:

"The guy was moved by his experience at the seed.

I think anyone would be lying if they wern't touched by an event or something happening there.

In fact I bet everyone on this site shed a tear or two while they were there. ::noway::  

Necessity never made a good bargain
--Benjamin Franklin Apr. 1734

[Thom]

Ginger, what 'phase' did you make at the Seed?

[Thom]

yenzer? Google wouldn't tell me what that means :cry:

[Antigen]

On 2005-02-15 21:09:00, Thom wrote:

"Ginger, what 'phase' did you make at the Seed?
"

chicklet

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.
--Aldous Huxley, author

[Antigen]

On 2005-02-15 21:15:00, Thom wrote:

"yenzer? Google wouldn't tell me what that means :cry: "

Ah, sorry. I thought that would come up pretty easy, but it doesn't.

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