Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Spots and Deberahs Family Dynamics?
Anonymous:
Again, to the ANON poster 2 above this - if the child is not willing to go or to participate in the family therapy at home, intervention may be necessary.
Once a child is safely at the program, it may take months for them to stop resisting and begin healing. How many families have successfully accomplished a child willing to do this at home?
Intervention is crucial to stop the destruction.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-04 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
""No, Carey. Forcing therapy on someone is pointless."-
BINGO! It looks like that settles it.
WWASP is pointless. Anything a kid has to be kidnapped (I mean "escorted") to is coercion. True unconditional love and patience and guiding the child to set their own rules works. It may not be an overnight breakdown of personality, but it will work. If a teen is failing school ask them what they think they should do in order to do better. And they're actually smart enough to figure it out. Help them live by rules that they help make. Read "Coercion and it's Fallout" by Murray Sidman. The part about the mice is very interesting. You can conclude that once the lid is off the maze (programs) and the kids no longer have to deal with the punishment they will always associate the punisher with the punishment (including the parents that sent them there.) They really learn nothing about decision making, or living in loving families. They learn to avoid punishment even if the act they are being punished for was actually life sustaining. They learn to not care about their own desires, just to avoid punishment. It's a scary way to go through life, but hopefully they will eventually meet normal people and have loving relationships and learn about stable, loving families in their lives outside of coercive programs. "
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Dont know where you got your information about not learning decision making or living in loving families, but it obviously wasn't concerning a wwasp program!
Ever read "Who Moved My Cheese?" A much better read about "mice."
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 21:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen - very good try on this one - the writing assignments are a very SMALL part of a seminar and it's NOT mandatory. You can bet that many more parents CHOOSE to write those letters and it is NOT a requirement of the kids to write - at all. Like the above ANON said - Good try! Won't fly."
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TASKS Ground Rule #13 - Follow the instructions of the facilitator.
The facilitator assigns homework. In order to keep the ground rules which are agreed to on the first day, homework is mandatory. If homework is not mandatory why are attendees required to turn it in?
You claim that this is a small part of the seminar, yet I am certain that you felt it was overwhelming at the time. My experience is that the attendees always feel there is a very large amount of homework at all of the seminars.
An example of this SMALL part of the seminar:
Discovery Homework, Friday
1. Write a minimum of one page on your experience of yourself during the Red / Black game. Explore your behaviors, your attitudes,your assumptions and your beliefs about yourself and others and connect them with how these are patterns in your life.
2. What was your definition of 'Accountability' before today? What is your definition of 'Accountability' now? If there is a difference between the two, how will this difference impact your life?
3. Identify five significant emotionally upsetting events in your life. Write about what beliefs about yourself or others you either formed or reinforced as a result of those events.
4. Start a journal about your experience of yourself during the first day of Discovery.
Do you recall the facilitator ever asking those who have not completed their homework to stand? Why is this done? What happens next?
Letters of appreciation to our child's program is definitely a homework assignment. I recall this from Discovery (both as an attendee and as a staffer) and from Focus (still have the notes from the focus I staffed that tells me clearly that I am to collect these letters from my group). If you read the letters on wwasp site, most of them state that they have just finished Discovery or Focus. I suppose that is just a coincident that they CHOSE to write those letters at that time.
Judy
Anonymous:
Judy - did you not read that most parents choose to write these types of letters, and don't think it's all in the seminars? It's definitely not. Good try, again, it won't fly.
Why would a person attend a seminar and not turn in homework you so expertly posted? Doesn't it help to put a personal experience on paper? Those that didn't do the homework could be in resistance or think it's not They will get what they were willing to put into it. No judgment on the facilitator's part, they just ask questions to get them to think about the choice they made.
Plenty of parents didn't complete the assignments in many of the seminars I attended or staffed. It is called accountability and it is an eye opener.
Is that a bad thing?
Anonymous:
My post was a response to this:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 21:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen - very good try on this one - the writing assignments are a very SMALL part of a seminar and it's NOT mandatory. You can bet that many more parents CHOOSE to write those letters and it is NOT a requirement of the kids to write - at all. Like the above ANON said - Good try! Won't fly."
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I was simply sharing my experience of the seminars and that I (among others attending with me) considered the homework to be a LARGE, not small, part of the seminar. I also strongly disagree with the statement that homework is NOT mandatory. I backed that up with a little more detail.
My post had nothing to do with whether or not the homework had value. I am aware that "plenty of parents" do not complete their homework. Do you want to confirm that they are then "reminded" that they broke ground rules when they did not complete the mandatory homework?
You and Darlene must have attended Discovery and Focus together. You are the only 2 people I have heard say that a letter to the facility was not part of their homework.
Judy
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