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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2003, 11:59:00 PM »
guess it did it for me.. neva mind  ::bangin::
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2003, 01:26:00 AM »
Yes, you have to close your eyes and click your heels three times saying, each time, "And the geek shall inherit the Earth". But I see you've already discovered that.
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trying to seize his house with a bogus search warrant, people better ask themselves if they really want to turn their cops into money-makers.
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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2003, 01:33:00 AM »
What does the graduate with the Communications degree ask?
Justkiddin;
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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2003, 01:39:00 AM »
Or the graduate w/ a crypto major?

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Or the libertarian unschooler?

return undef if /coercion/sgi;

Speculations on the Origin of Human Intelligence: "In defense of the Pygmies, perhaps I should note that a friend of mine who has spent time with them says that for such activities as the patient stalking and hunting of mammals and fish they prepare themselves through marijuana intoxication, which helps to make the long waits, boring to anyone further evolved than a Komodo dragon, at least moderately tolerable. Ganja is, he says, their only cultivated crop. It would be wryly interesting if in human history the cultivation  of marijuana led generally to the invention of agriculture, and thereby to civilization.
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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2003, 01:43:00 AM »
Thankx..Ok...I see...I guess I still want to read the book...  to know the whole picture...even though... :eek:
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« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2003, 03:51:00 PM »
Definitely read the book. It's as relavent to Elan today as your family history is to you and your kids (if you have kids, as most of us eventually do)

I disagree with you, Art, about blaming Ricci's behavior on the "disease" of addiction. I know we could lock horns on this, and that's not my intention. I don't consider you an evil or unredemable man for any fool thing you may have said or done before you quit drinking. Clearly, you took control of your own volition, w/ or w/o the support and encouragement of others, and changed your ways. You're as responsible for that as for any past mistake and, quite frankly, a better and stronger man than most by virtue of that.

But Joe Ricci did what he did and went to his grave denying all responsibility. In my view, he was an evil man who left an evil legacy. If Sharon fully recovers her senses, I would think she'd do something meaningful with her inheritance to denounce and counteract some of the harm done to people in the course of amassing all that wealth.

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« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2003, 04:03:00 PM »
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If Sharon fully recovers her senses, I would think she'd do something meaningful with her inheritance to denounce and counteract some of the harm done to people in the course of amassing all that wealth.
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The day that happens is the day pigs fly out of my ass.  You obviously don't know Elan's administration very well.  They NEVER have apologized for the negative aspects of the program.  

By the way, Ken is not a bad guy.  You're forgetting that he was one of the first people ever to criticize Elan publicly.  He's actually really nice once you get to know him.  Don't agree with him on everything -- but that's another story.
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« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2003, 05:00:00 PM »
i agree with pete on all points.  
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« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2003, 05:38:00 PM »
I agree too Mike....

Mary ::nod::
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« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2003, 07:16:00 PM »
Well, I didn't say it was likely, I just said if.

The thing that bugs me about Ken is that he tries to undermine people's confidence whenever they want to talk about real events that happen at Elan or whenever anyone tries to compare Concept to the philosophy of any other program. He seems to want, even need, for ya'll to remain convinced that you're all alone, no one can understand and that it's not worth talking about anyway; water under the bridge.

That pisses me off, frankly. I don't know what motivates the guy. I just think it's mean spirited to fuck with people like that.

Art Barker is a nice guy too. Incredibly funny, smart and charming and fully convinced that what he's done has been to help kids break free from the bondage of drugs. Being a nice guy doesn't excuse hurtful behavior.

BTW, anyone heard from Andy or his mom lately?

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« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2003, 11:52:00 PM »
Well ok this whole Ken deal...
What power this man must have that everyone finds him such a influence on what your doing.
If you dont like him dont talk to him Iam sure his world will not end. Like all of us he has a life a family and I really cant see all of this coming frist.
I for one judge ppl on my own not by what others say.
If he had such powers one could only imagin. I guess my point is everyone treat each other civil if he comes here looking for trouble then so be it but if not I really dont see the point in going on and on about it...
Ginger I have told you many time I admire the fact that you want to help kids thats a good thing.. So keep doing that. I really do hope that everyone someday somehow can come to terms with everything that had happened at elan, in the same right we cant belittle the ppl who have! Remember we all went through it.  Mary
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« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2003, 11:59:00 PM »
Mary, what in the world makes you think Ken has come to terms w/ it? Seriously. He runs a website and closely monitored forum all dedicated to Elan. Not only that, but he runs surveilance and, according to some folks' opinion, active monkey-wrenching on anyone who dares type the word Elan outside of his control.

Secondly, I'm not going on about it. People keep asking my opinion on Ken, I keep giving essentially the same answer. If nobody askes, I'm not even thinking about the guy. Haven't even looked at his site a dozen times in the last couple of years.


You might ask Ken what his fascination is w/ Fornits. I've heard that he's always going on about how fucking crazy we all are over here. Now that I've banned Nazi, the guy posts once acknowledging that he's the same guy and another time talking a lot of bravado about how Ken's going to fuck w/ me; this interspersed w/ death and snitch threats.

I know I'm just guessing, as no one can know the mind of another, but I honestly believe Nazi is a good budy of Ken's. One thing I know for sure from going over the database in the raw? Jordo's not imagining things when he says ppl are actively monkey-wrenching his film project. That is some of these people's stated objective.

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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2003, 01:01:00 AM »
Could it be possible that Mary actually knows Ken? If that's so, maybe people should listen to her.
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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2003, 01:22:00 AM »
We will never come to terms with Elan...Or I speak for myself. What is done is done.. You can't remove what Elan has done. There are scars on me from that whole incident. But what I have come to terms with, is blame. I dont blame my parents anymore & I dont blame my mom. I dont know who posted it, but I give credit to my next few sentences to an anonymous writer here on this forum that said..something of what influences me to say, I blame no one. Not even myself. I just thing Elan was like some kind of fucked up destiny planned for me, to hold me, help me? Stear me away from bad I was digging in to. If I could blame anyone I blame myself. I do blame my family for lack of communication, sheltering hovering me. Which lead to certain behaviors... But anyways.... :silly: Elan was like a "holding cell"...in its sick way, the only way I could come to terms, is when Elan is shut down, staff realizes they are hurting more than helping, and things like that occur all over the world.
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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2003, 01:36:00 AM »
Ken is a really nice guy if you get to know him
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