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Antigen:
When I first saw this thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39113

I wondered if it was another case of a flame war spreading across forums. It's not. At least I'm as sure as I can be that that's not the connection. Just another case of someone who's among the walking wounded bumping into ideas that threaten their well settled view of events that happened decades ago.

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
? Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

Please, folks. We're all brothers and sisters, even those of the other camp (whichever side you might most strongly identify with). Please don't get too upset or drive yourself nuts trying to guess the motivations of others.

 :rose:

Anonymous:
My motivation is simple. I'll take the book down and destroy any reference to it if he helps me stop Juan Ferrerya from reopening Elan

 :deal:

Antigen:
No, not you. I think you're mostly just reacting. I was talking mostly about the steady presence of people who blow a gasket over criticism of the program. Even if, logically, they agree with our take on it overall. there's another thread in the straight forum, I think, about the program causing arrogance.

Danny, calm down now. Most people won't understand, but you're one of us. I just wish you'd break free of the cult mindset.

none-ya:
Who here is defending elan,after witnessing the emotional wreckage it has left on these folks? I don't think this war here is "pro program" vs."anti program". The only "pro programmers" were Whooter and a couple of knuckle heads from the Cleveland seed,who seem to be long gone from here. No,this is personal. This is Wayne vs. Danny. And if you've been following this, then you know logic and reasoning aren't going to work. A moderator could squash the whole thing but nobody seems to want to. So let the fur fly. (not you Ursus)

DannyB II:

--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---No, not you. I think you're mostly just reacting. I was talking mostly about the steady presence of people who blow a gasket over criticism of the program. Even if, logically, they agree with our take on it overall. there's another thread in the straight forum, I think, about the program causing arrogance.

Danny, calm down now. Most people won't understand, but you're one of us. I just wish you'd break free of the cult mindset.
--- End quote ---

Awe...throwing your prodigy a bone. That ought to make him feel like he is a part of again. Ginger, I just remind you of your older bro....I am probably old enough to be your older bro.
I have always been a survivor, my hell started in 1967 and ended in 1978. I have never been confused about this.
I guess you weren't here when I copped to some guilt a few months back. I told everyone I was guilty of fucking with y'all sort of being vindictive. I purposely teamed up with Whooter and Max's to flaunt my anger.
Being a part of a cult? Do you really believe darling that any cult would want me running around inside their halls.   :rofl:

Oh and as far as my presence on Orange, Stinkin Thinking or whatever else Wayne and his buddies get my username involved in. You will have to ask them.
My AA days have been over for years and although I believe AA helps at first, I also believe one should move on after the lesson is learned. I don't believe AA is a lifetime deal.

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