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I too did a search too!! Wayne and Juan Ferreira=Same!!
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Muppeteer" ---They certainly look like they could be the same guy to me <THAT IS, Juan on FB and the GUY in the yellow shirt in the vids, not Wayne and Juan>, based on nothing more than a FB profile picture and the yellow shirt guy in the vids. I'll grab a translator tomorrow and see if he drops his name, I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't necessarily catch it if he did.
Nevertheless, if you've lived it you know that Ibicuy appears to be an Elan clone. Headcounts, signs, costume's VR's, morning meeting, service crews, etc. Yeeesh.
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The FB profile and pic could have been concocted by anyone. Just sayin'... (although I could be wrong!).
And the signs and the costumes are not unique to Elan. We even had them at Hyde in the early/mid 1970s (albeit less pervasively; Hyde prefers to target and ostracize select individuals as a means of controlling the many).
The prolific use of clipboards really struck me, however.
Ruaraidh:
--- Quote from: "Muppeteer" ---They certainly look like they could be the same guy to me <THAT IS, Juan on FB and the GUY in the yellow shirt in the vids, not Wayne and Juan>, based on nothing more than a FB profile picture and the yellow shirt guy in the vids. I'll grab a translator tomorrow and see if he drops his name, I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't necessarily catch it if he did.
Nevertheless, if you've lived it you know that Ibicuy appears to be an Elan clone. Headcounts, signs, costume's VR's, morning meeting, service crews, etc. Yeeesh.
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Whoa lets not loose are focus here. All I am saying is the person posting on facebook is not the real guy in that is in that yellow polo shirt. Muppet they are the same you are right. But is the guy actually for real posting on that facebook site. I say no way. It is bullshit.
I am also saying we asked and they say they did not take there program from Elan. Call the program for christ sake, get a spanish speaking person and ask them your questions. They are actually nice people.
I will say this I will not be responsible if we were mislead or lied to.
Ruaraidh:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Muppeteer" ---They certainly look like they could be the same guy to me <THAT IS, Juan on FB and the GUY in the yellow shirt in the vids, not Wayne and Juan>, based on nothing more than a FB profile picture and the yellow shirt guy in the vids. I'll grab a translator tomorrow and see if he drops his name, I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't necessarily catch it if he did.
Nevertheless, if you've lived it you know that Ibicuy appears to be an Elan clone. Headcounts, signs, costume's VR's, morning meeting, service crews, etc. Yeeesh.
--- End quote ---
The FB profile and pic could have been concocted by anyone. Just sayin'... (although I could be wrong!).
And the signs and the costumes are not unique to Elan. We even had them at Hyde in the early/mid 1970s (albeit less pervasively; Hyde prefers to target and ostracize select individuals as a means of controlling the many).
The prolific use of clipboards really struck me, however.
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The clip boards. That came from Synanon, Daytop , Marathon House and Elan. Expediters used to run around making head counts every 15 mins.
I am not going to lie from everything I have read and heard it resembles Elan.
Muppeteer:
I think I'll be able to make up my mind for sure once I have a human translation of the vids.
There were screen caps of his comments floating around which Wayne had posted....I believe he posted them in full context. You may have more information, i recognize that Rud....whatever your name is.
Once again, not defending Wayne...don't care.
But when you pull together a social media profile for Ferreira, I think you'll see man living a fairly public life. Try LinkedIN, all the rest...he's not shying away from any association with his program, and a FB post on a "positive-Elan stories" website doesn't seem to out of the ordinary to me.
If you're telling me Wayne set up a dummy FB profile for Ferriera, in some half assed attempt at "exposing" him, that doesn't make too much sense to me. The man himself seems proud of what he's doing.
And sure, lots of programs used and use similar tactics....I'm here to tell you that what I see in these two videos, sans a comprehensible soundtrack, is Elan. And I suspect that once I have a translation, I'll have even less doubt.
Troublemaker:
I remember when someone here said Danny asked this guy for a job. Danny was in one of his abusive moods, was posting like a fool. And when (I think it was YV23) said that, Danny did one of his disappearing acts
One thing I've noticed about Danny is that the only thing that shuts him up is the truth
Didn't he disappear when the book first went up?
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