Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-22 18:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Never trust an authority figure to determine if your kid is being abused, Spots???? Aren't you the one that is attempting to enlist authority figures to do this in Montana? You discount what parents know, but you are saying here the parents are the only ones to know for sure?
Seems that the parents AND the authority figures say there's no abuse, but you can't accept that.
Your contact with the representative in California, so far, has gone no where. Your contact with the Mexican Government didn't say what you wanted to hear, either. IS that the reason you are now saying that the authority figures won't determine abuse is going on or not?
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Uh....hello? The stupid sophistry is not flying. Can you say "false alternatives"? I *knew* you could.
Antigen:
I actually don't advocate for new laws. I think these programs break laws already, every day. We only need to enforce the laws we have.
The trouble is that people have come to accept torture as an accepted way of dealing with their fears about youth and the next generation.
There's big money in it. Not just the program fees and all the direct funding. This industry did not grow out of a vacume. We have an established cultur-wide mental illness when it comes to parenting and families.
We have turned over the sacred right and responsibility of family to talking heads on the idiot box like Dr. Phil, Oprah, Salley Jessy Raphael and Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters will never do an unbiased piece on the industry because her daughter owns a program. Law enforcement aids and abets the scam by criminalizing and disenfranchising normal adolescent behavior.
Kids ta' day! You hear so much about how out of control, wreckless and dangerous kids ta' day are. The fact is, teen pregnancies are DOWN. Teen drug use is DOWN. Teen's never were the perp class in violent and property crime, but they've shown less interest in that in recent years than before. The real dopers and drunks are the baby boomers. We're the ones getting into all the trouble.
We are the ones who have neglected to inform ourselves well enough to even know what the hell laws they're passing that effect our kids. When did the razor wire go up around the highschools? I don't remember that from when I was a kid just 20 years ago. We're the ones who have failed as parents. The kids aren't coming out any different. If you think it's a different world, well don't punish the kid and don't break them to make them fit it. This is the world that we have brought about. If it's too fucked up for kids, then we need to fix it. It's that simple.
To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.
--Edmund A. Opitz
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Anonymous:
May be a bit off what you said Ginger, but how do you explain this:
You have the same two parents to two or three kids. Two of them came through their teen years very differently than one of them...where did they "fail?" The one wasn't loved any less. Just some food for thought on laying blame on the parents.
Anonymous:
Zero Tolerance. For unwanted behavior in the school, home or community. Trip the wire and you could end up facing the ultimate penalty. Forced Behavior McModification in a school or program where nobody gets out until they learn to equate love with obedience, freedom with servitude.
Welcome to the brave new world of emotionally sterilized parenting.
:smokin:
Anonymous:
Spots where do you get your info?
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