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Antigen:
Deb, when I was in the Program, there was a special lingo. "Honesty" or "Get Honest!!!!", as it was often shouted, didn't mean the same thing as it means to most people. What it meant was "Confess to whatever thoughts or feelings or deeds we've already decided are true." After awhile, you want to get along and not be constantly screamed at, so you decide to adopt this paralell definition of the word so you'll know how to respond whenever your asked to.

Similarly, an attack had a different meaning. It meant questioning the group's dogma. I don't think you attacked this guy. I think you're asking questions about the program methods and philosophy. But he really and truely believes that this is a personal attack on his... what, integrity? Honesty?

Ever consider how nearly interchangable are words like advertise and proselytize?

But the large volume of huge text is pretty close to flooding. I'm going to go and remove the huge text tags, but I'll leave the content because it has become relavent to the discussion.

But please don't try me, anon. I have never banned or censored anyone because I didn't like what they had to say. Just take a look at any of a number of raunchy topics with the name Ginger in them. That would be me. Ginger Warbis aka Antigen, host of all things Fornits.com (but no relation to the nicer German guy named Wolf who hosts fornit.com and who sometimes forwards to me my misdirected email)

Now then. Exactly why do you want to be Anonymous? I'm not saying you're not allowed or that you don't have a good reason. I'm just curious to know as much about who you are as you know about me.


There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir

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Anonymous:
Did he put the right address?

Antigen:
Did the house "father" and/or family rep, who was constantly in touch with the family, not know the correct address?
Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By  any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.
Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young,  DOJ/DEA

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Anonymous:
Deborah - my response to sending a child to a program "against their will" is that if the child does not agree to go, and tells his parents there is nothing they can do about what he is doing, then I personally feel the parent needs to be a parent and do whatever it takes to get their child help - whether the kid agrees or not.  Then the whole family can start healing.  You have your beliefs on what works, as do I.  It would be wonderful if the kid did agree, and some do, but most don't.  Being a parent means caring enough to go with their gut feelings, get past the fear and just do it.  They can always go and pick them up if they don't feel it's the right place to be.  NONE of the parents knew if it would be, some find it's not and choose another school, or bring them home.  To each his own.

Anonymous:
What's amazing about those testimonials is

a) no real names

b) the so-called doctor published in peer reviewed journals is a joke, claiming NYT article wouldn't pass peer review.  NYT article would be more likely to pass peer review than a collection of anecdotes, which as he well knows, tell absolutely nothing about whether or not a treatment works.  I fear for his patients if that's what he bases his care on-- and I bet his "peer reviewed" papers had co-authors!

c) WWASP expects the general public to believe a bunch of anonymous people (who could easily be the same person) more than the New York Times, which despite it having had some troubles of late, is still the most respected newspaper in the world.
they don't even provide their emails or phone numbers, which are provided on all the boards where WWASP tries to say they are all from the same person and which are clearly not if you call or email the people who post.

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