Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Lets get real, majority of the people who enroll their son or daughter in a BMP allready are past the urgent state, they allready tried sending their kid to live with relatives, counselling, you name it. They are dealing with an epdemic, most people do not say "Oh my teen is acting up a little today, I think I will spend a couple of grand a month to help him" They are way past that point. They are dealing with an epedemic that is a matter of life or death.
We got a lot of experts here, I would like to see the sceintfic results of any of their theroies, or any of their degrees would be nice to see as well, or even a number of years of experince working with struggling teens. :eek:
Anonymous:
Ginger - wwasp does not want to keep anyone out. In fact, they've invited many to tour, to meet parents, graduates, attend seminars, etc. Tim Weiner attended a support group and chose to not report anything that he saw and heard, other than "change is painful" as quoted by a mother. WHen you youall get it that it's not some secret society hellbent on thinking "one" way, but families that know they are responsible for their choices and the consequences, either good or not?
I don't feel that wwasp has a bad reputation. That bad reputation came from the media and a few parents that didn't get the desired results.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 16:57:00, Antigen wrote:
"Oh, and one question. I've heard that parents and students are often required, as part of their 'therapy' or seminar, to write letters like these. Anyone w/ firsthand experience able to confirm or refute that?
The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry
--- End quote ---
"
--- End quote ---
In my Discovery seminar we were all given stationary to write letters of appreciation and were instructed to give them to the staffers and they would be sent collectively to the programs. We were to put our child's name and facility name at the top. I also staffed Discovery with Bill and Focus with Joyce in the Spring of 2001. I handed out stationary at the Discovery seminar that I staffed for the same purpose and heard the same instructions. I still have my notes from the Focus I staffed and the following is on one of my notecards "collect letters first, check child's name & facility name".
I am not sure what the teens are required to do, but I know that one assignment at the parent seminars is to write a letter of appreciation. And any parent who has attended seminars knows how important homework is...
Judy
Anonymous:
I vote with Deb to delete the testimonials. I wanted to comment on that post, but she has put the objection far better than I could.
other anon:
Change is sometimes good; and sometimes not - wouldn't you say?
You posted a link and talked about how some people fight the Dissolving of their Identities; not working to change a bad habit.
Isn't it more to the point that you can't talk about Discovery, Focus ect b/c you have sworn not to?
You understand, by its very nature and purpose, the subjects/victims don't realize they are being brain washed, don't you?
You understand, once your identity has been dissolved, they can put in most anything they please - and you'll be delighted with the result.
This is a very dangerous little game your playing here - this Large Group Awareness Training; which is just a new age version of the Korean method of brain washing.
I agree with you that Oprah would probably just Love a tame version of Discovery; and I don't doubt "her" program would look a lot like what you Think "the Program" is; but as for the reality of the Program - No, I don't think she would approve; and she would probably want to throw a bunch of folks in jail. She just loves new age pop psychology (talk about shallow) but she don't care much for brutality and neglect.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 17:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Lets get real, majority of the people who enroll their son or daughter in a BMP allready are past the urgent state, they allready tried sending their kid to live with relatives, counselling, you name it. They are dealing with an epdemic, most people do not say "Oh my teen is acting up a little today, I think I will spend a couple of grand a month to help him" They are way past that point. They are dealing with an epedemic that is a matter of life or death.
--- End quote ---
I'm confident that you believe this is true. But it is just not so. These people may be convinced that they're saving the kids' lives. But the kids lives are not usually in anywhere near the kind of danger outside of these programs as inside of them.
If you want longterm proof of efficacy or lack thereof, talk to us! That's why we hang out here so that we can tell you of our experience. As a group, Program survivors probably read a whole lot more friends' obituaries than any group under the age of about 75. And most of us are only in our thirties. Those olddruggiefriends they tried to convince us would be our undoing? They generally fall into the "other" category, where they won't start losing a lot of peers till they're much older.
--- Quote ---
We got a lot of experts here, I would like to see the sceintfic results of any of their theroies, or any of their degrees would be nice to see as well, or even a number of years of experince working with struggling teens. :eek: "
--- End quote ---
No, since you're advocating this program and encouraging people to pay for it, why don't you show me the studies that prove it's safe and effective?
In war, the stronger overcomes the weaker. In business, the stronger imparts strength to the weaker.
--Frederic Bastiat
--- End quote ---
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version