Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Good Point annon,
To go one step further, the WWASP seminars are about learning about your self and willing to listen and take feed back from other people's perscpective. Maybe some of the successfull parents get frustrated , however I think the vast majority are very open to what others think or feel and let them have their own experince. The successfull parents have experinced success and want to go were they can help other experince success.
Anonymous:
Did you not see the Dr. Phil version of the seminars as shown on Oprah? Same process, different people.
Sworn to secrecy is only about the experience...why hurt someone else's experience by sharing your own? Each person gets out of them what they want to. Why ask what it's all about? Anyone can walk out if they don't like what they are feeling. I will ask you to stop equating your son's experience at whatever program he was in with what wwasp is about. They're not all the same - but I also know that you sharing your experience is important. Please just clarify you have no experience of wwasp.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 17:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger - wwasp does not want to keep anyone out. In fact, they've invited many to tour, to meet parents, graduates, attend seminars, etc. Tim Weiner attended a support group and chose to not report anything that he saw and heard, other than "change is painful" as quoted by a mother. WHen you youall get it that it's not some secret society hellbent on thinking "one" way, but families that know they are responsible for their choices and the consequences, either good or not?
I don't feel that wwasp has a bad reputation. That bad reputation came from the media and a few parents that didn't get the desired results. "
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Uhhh... thanks. But I was refering to those private fora you keep mentioning.
And you are wrong about the media and a few parents creating this bad reputation for you. You simply reject all criticizm as false and tell yourself there is none. Buddy, you're washed, man! Snap out of it! ::bangin::
I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.
--Clarence Darrow
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Anonymous:
Yes, I have read some of his books and watch his show, he uses a lot of the seminar proccess and techniques that is why he is successful, because people are able to have a new experince and make changes in their lives.
Anonymous:
"I'm confident that you believe this is true. But it is just not so. These people may be convinced that they're saving the kids' lives. But the kids lives are not usually in anywhere near the kind of danger outside of these programs as inside of them.
If you want longterm proof of efficacy or lack thereof, talk to us! That's why we hang out here so that we can tell you of our experience. As a group, Program survivors probably read a whole lot more friends' obituaries than any group under the age of about 75. And most of us are only in our thirties. Those olddruggiefriends they tried to convince us would be our undoing? They generally fall into the "other" category, where they won't start losing a lot of peers till they're much older."
Wheres the degrees? Where the scientific data? Wheres the experince?
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