Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
WHO THE HECK MODERATES THIS BLATHER?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-14 16:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"GregFL seems to think he is some sort of analyst and that he is better than everyone else posting on this board. That is Greg's theme. Greg, I for one am pretty glad you're irritated, because you're just about the most boring person I have ever come accross!
What a doofus!"
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(Sorry, the post below was in reply to the above quote by Anon, in response to his/her comments about Greg's posts.)
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No Anon, Greg is right on the money. You just don't want to hear the truth because that would mean facing up to the reality that you and certain others have not progressed, but rather, regressed, and that is a terrible waste of yours and everybody else's time and energy.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-14 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen,
I get it, you think I'm Sue Sheff. No, no, no. Oh my gosh, No. That may be the greatest insult you have written all evening. If Sue is doing what all of these businesses do that charge parents to get them to the torture houses, she's just as bad as WWASP. So, I hope we've gotten that out of the way.
You and I don't see any of this the same way, which is fine, it's your forum. But I don't think you're helping anyone here.
Bye!"
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No, actually I didn't think you were Sue. All those questions would apply to several ppl that I know of.
Whether it's my forum or not, it's still fine that we don't see things the same way. Like I said, I try very hard to keep some seperation between administration and participation. If you twist my arm and pimp slap me around enough and I come to the conclusion that I actually have a legal or moral obligation to censor something or ban someone, I'll do it. But I think it completely ruins any shot at intellectual integrity if someone's going behind the scenes trying to create the illusion that people who hold certain views just don't exist.
If it were your forum, would it not be fine for us to differ?
Now, just for the sake of an argument (or, dare I hope, a serious and civil discussion) let's put aside our differences on Carey's selling data to WWASP. Just one final word on that, if I may.
I don't think we're really that far appart on that anyway. I do believe there has already been significant collateral damage from that that Carey would not have wanted to inflict and that she just might (might) not believe is undeserved. That is based on her public statements here as well as a couple of private phone calls, wherein I've never caught her being inconsistent with the public statements. And I'm not entirely sure that she was really pushed into a corner. But it seems a bit more plausible to me than the idea that she's been a secret WWASP mole all along, just doing a damned good job at fooling everybody.
But aside from the data sale, have you ever read anything else she has to say? She had an insider's view of PURE and Trekers for a very long time and she's made some statements and asked some compelling questions about the whole ordeal. No one who would be in the know has ever addressed those questions as far as I know.
Here's one that I find just mind blowing. Apparently, when Carey was desperate to get her boys out of Dundee, she begged Amberly to just send a sworn affidavit that she could show the judge to make the case that the court should immediately order the boys out of Dundee and back to the States. I'm not real clear on the reasons she gave Carey for not doing this. It's probably there, but I'd have to go back and look. But Amberly refused to give these statements that might have helped her get her boys out of Dundee.
Then at the deopo, she found out (and posted publicly) that Amberly did make up a sworn affidavit after all at the time. She just wouldn't give it to Carey. Instead, she gave it to someone affiliated with PURE. Anyone, please feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm mistating any facts here.
So the court back in La set a hearing for some date in the future, leaving the boys in Costa till at least then. Next thing you know, here's Sue offering salvation at a heafty price. How much? That may be in the forums too, but I can't recall. But I thought it was 5 digits.
What she got for that price was the same damned escorts who normally kidnap kids from school or their beds to take them in to these programs. And they didn't even do any of the heavy lifting. All they did was show up and look mean and tough while Carey instructed Narvin to turn over her boys to her.
Couple of questions for you regarding that. First, did you read about any of that before just now? Do you believe it or not? Why or why not?
Now, assuming that it's wholely or partially true, what the hell are these people playing at? This, of course, would be mere speculation on our part. As I keep pointing out, no one who's in the know seems willing to volunteer any information about what's going on except to smear Carey. That alone stinks to high heaven.
To make certain that crime does not pay, the government should take it
over and try to run it
--G. Norman Collie
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ehm:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-14 16:52:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Sorry Greg.
--- Quote ---Does you question here, Froderick, justify your behavior...your deeply offensive and insulting words? Your discussing Carey's body parts in a highly disrepectfull and juvenile manner? Your alignment with a racist and someone who threatens people? Your threatening and offensive comments to people who have tried to bring a halt to this nonsense?
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You're a little off here. That woman pissed me off. Period. It wasn't about what she did, it was her behavior in the moment that did it for me. And man, I don't "align" myself with nobody. I was just sticking up for the guy. Yeah, I didn't think people were right in messing with him, even though...and that stuff was resolved peacefully in the end, believe it or not. If you don't believe me, go read the Elan forum. it won't kill you. I bite back when these anons start in on me. i won't apologize for that. I don't regret one bit of the nastiness to them. I do hopr that this doesn't put people off, BUT, I figure anyone with a pulse will understand (to some degree) my reactions. "
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This is what I was saying Froderik13. You really do owe Carey an apology. I'm sorry, but you have been completely out of line. I read your words, and think to myself, I hope he wouldn't talk to a woman like that in real life. It's actually frightning.
Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!
--Andi, domestic goddess
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GregFL:
I have read the Elan Forum Froderick, the entire thing. You see, It was Ginger and I that initiated contact with the Elan People several years ago and I have watched the forum with interest, hoping to someday establish a link between Art barker and Joe Ricci. I read the entire forum cover to cover and watched in bewilderment as you got involved and helped worsen an situation already out of control.
I stand by my initial post. You owe a lot of people here an apology.
WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION
-- Ethiopian Proverb
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-14 16:52:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"Sorry Greg.
--- Quote ---Does you question here, Froderick, justify your behavior...your deeply offensive and insulting words? Your discussing Carey's body parts in a highly disrepectfull and juvenile manner? Your alignment with a racist and someone who threatens people? Your threatening and offensive comments to people who have tried to bring a halt to this nonsense?
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You're a little off here. That woman pissed me off. Period. It wasn't about what she did, it was her behavior in the moment that did it for me. And man, I don't "align" myself with nobody. I was just sticking up for the guy. Yeah, I didn't think people were right in messing with him, even though...and that stuff was resolved peacefully in the end, believe it or not. If you don't believe me, go read the Elan forum. it won't kill you. I bite back when these anons start in on me. i won't apologize for that. I don't regret one bit of the nastiness to them. I do hopr that this doesn't put people off, BUT, I figure anyone with a pulse will understand (to some degree) my reactions. "
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Frod, get over that woman pissing you off. What's done is done. If you really want to get into it, stop swatting flies and take a bite out of the big enchilada (if you catch my meaning here). Go read the WWASPS v. PURE court documents and digest on the facts for awhile. Who knows, it might just convince people you are sincere in getting to the truth, as opposed to beating a dead horse or worse, promoting Carey as the boogie-man to deflect attention away from the self-serving agenda of your alleged cohorts.
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