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ajax13:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---All I said is that I read the government said MKUltra ended in the 60s, I didn't say it did. And, I'm more than happy to be taught something, but not the way you did it. It's not your lesson I have a problem with, it's your presentation
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No, Xelebes said that experimentation ended in sixties. He also said that the Seed was not experimental, he said that Senator Ervin demanded proof that the Seed was experimental, that Art Barker did not have a military record, and that AARC came from KHK.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Xelebes" ---How does a charlatan like Art Baker become privy to the experimental data and funding that is accessible to the military-scientific community? Art Baker had no prior scientific experience and had no prior military experience.
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Ummm... Maybe this is a minor point, but Art Barker *did* serve in World War II. How efficaciously is another story. I seem to remember that he might have gone AWOL at one point, but I may well be remembering the story incorrectly.
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Hm, most biographies I've read on here and elsewhere state that he never served in the army, that he bragged about serving in the army but never actually served. Got a good source?
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Well... here are some excerpts from a newspaper article... It could be the case that he just bragged to the reporter, eh? Some better proof might be an actual copy of his military records (this might be a good job for someone skilled in FOIA requests).
From the article "Art Barker: The Seed's Chief Sows A Mixed Crop of People Reactions" (by Eleanor Randolph; December 16, 1973; St. Petersburg Times):
ART BARKER was born 49 years ago in a rough section of Brooklyn. As Barker tells it, with the flair of a man who has been on stage, his father was an alcoholic and his first vacation from selling razor blades and needles was when he joined the U.S. Army in 1942.
Police reports on Barker from those early years show that when he was 16, he was arrested for burglary and "being a wayward minor." Those charges were dismissed. Two years later he was charged with assault and robbery and those charges also were dismissed as young Art Barker enlisted in the U.S. Army a few days later.
Early in his Army career, Barker went AWOL, but the war had started by then, and Barker was beginning to find something that he could do well. He could fight.
As a tail gunner with the Army Air Corps that later became the U.S. Air Force, Barker received an Air Medal with silver leaf cluster, a Good Conduct Medal, a Purple Heart, and a Presidential Unit Citation.
BARKER LEFT active duty in 1948 and told one reporter later that he took with him more than a box of medals. Like many young men after those war years, he had a drinking problem...[/list][/size]
Xelebes:
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--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---All I said is that I read the government said MKUltra ended in the 60s, I didn't say it did. And, I'm more than happy to be taught something, but not the way you did it. It's not your lesson I have a problem with, it's your presentation
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No, Xelebes said that experimentation ended in sixties. He also said that the Seed was not experimental, he said that Senator Ervin demanded proof that the Seed was experimental, that Art Barker did not have a military record, and that AARC came from KHK.
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If you have sources you can provide, then I would gladly entertain it. I'm reading what is readily available here and elsewhere I can get information.
ajax13:
--- Quote from: "Xelebes" ---If you have sources you can provide, then I would gladly entertain it. I'm reading what is readily available here and elsewhere I can get information.
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There is no evidence to support what you said about Sam Ervin demanding proof of the Seed's experimental nature. Either you misread something, or you made that up. There is scarce evidence about Barker's military background, yet what evidence there is indicates that he has a military record. It is an indisputable fact that AARC was established as Kids of the Canadian West. The documentary posted as the "raison d'etre" of this thread indicates that CIA was still involved in mind control experiments, and Jonestown was an example of this, and yet you assert that this type of experiment ended in the mid-sixties. If you post assertions with no evidence to back them up, and in spite of evidence that refutes them, I am left wondering what it is that you are trying to do.
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