Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Teen Challenge
I personally escaped this Cult
TC_Saved_Me:
--- Quote ---the quote from your friend asserting that people who reject the program are essentially losers is irrational, illogical, and moronic.
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Although I cannot speak for him, I do not believe he was saying that people who reject the program are losers. I believe, since he is a graduate and now a staff member at a Teen Challenge, he is speaking from experience. His personal experience has been that alot of people reject the program because they do not want to follow the rules. Alot of those people end up very bitter, and will look for reasons and occasions to bad mouth a program that has worked for thousands of people for over fifty years.
I understand where he is coming from. I've seen alot of people badmouthing the same center that I went through - knowing that the center is filled with staff members who show the students alot of love - but they also exercise alot of discipline. Wouldn't you defend something you knew was good. Something you were passionate about? Something that changed your life??
--- Quote ---I don't want today's kids to be placed in programs that practice, yes, again, systemic, trenchant, and pervasive verbal and psychological abuse.
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Good. That makes two of us.
Dissention advances civilization. Those advancements would not have occurred if the dissenters did not face opposition. Let's get something clear before we go any further though: By definition, a dissenter is someone who goes against social norms. On these particular Discussion Boards, you are not a dissenter.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "TC_Saved_Me" ---Dissention advances civilization. Those advancements would not have occurred if the dissenters did not face opposition. Let's get something clear before we go any further though: By definition, a dissenter is someone who goes against social norms. On these particular Discussion Boards, you are not a dissenter.
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One could also observe that, in the Teen Challenge community, neither are you, "TC_Saved_Me."
But seriously... what does dissenting or not dissenting, and its relative merits or demerits, have to do with whether a particular treatment modality is abusive or not?
TC_Saved_Me:
--- Quote ---what does dissenting or not dissenting, and its relative merits or demerits, have to do with whether a particular treatment modality is abusive or not?
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Absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Samara:
What I'm saying is that your friend appears intolerant of people who dissent from his POV that TC is the Savior. Also, your post still shows a complete minimalization of TC dissenters as rule whiners. It is NOT uncommon for Programmees to drink the Kool Aid and think without this program I'd be dead. Often, these same people feel differently once the Kool Aid wears off. I'm just not as dismissive of the opinions of people who found TC lacking in ethical boundaries. That is all. I'm not going to marginalize them as rule whiners. If God put it there to save your ass, more power to you. Sounds ridiculous to me, but whatever.
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