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Some Clarification Please?
DannyB II:
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New postby anotherusername ยป 34 minutes ago
--- Quote --- janisfriend wrote:
I have some questions for Wayne K and for all those who know Wayne either through the whole Elan School thing, Facebook, his authorship or even through the Jani Foundation. I come more from an interest in the Jani Foundation and am not really affiliated with the current drama though I have seen plenty of it over the last couple of days.
First of all, how many of you here were students at the Elan school and were abused there?
How many of you have read Wayne's book and find it to be accurate and factual?
How many of those people above know of the Jani Foundation and what it is about?
And how many of those people know the complete story of Jani Schofield of which that so called foundation is named after and who's mother Susan Schofield is the creator of the radio show Bipolar Nation that Wayne recently had an appearance on?
The reason I ask is because I found it very interesting that Wayne supported the Jani Foundation even claiming on amazon that proceeds of his Elan book go to the JF (The Jani Foundation is not a real foundation btw, it is a paypal account that gives money to the parents of Jani Schofield). I mostly found it interesting because most people who know about Jani Schofield don't know that Jani has been abused herself. No, not in a treatment facility or residential but in her own home mostly by her father. It baffles me how a person claiming to have been an abused youth, who has written a book about it could actually support people who abused their own child.
I am just wondering if any of you kind folks have any comments or insight as to these quandries. I urge anyone reading to read Michael Schofields blog in full where he relays many instances of abuse of his daughter always excusing his actions and blaming her mental illness. Will we be hearing responses from the ever vocal "Falcon Wings" aka "BeatleBangs"on this forum? And if so, is it true that you have commissioned Wayne to be a ghost writer for your book as well?
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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It's unlikely "Wayne Kernochan" was ever in Elan. When not claiming to be an elan victim, he claims to have help execute mafia leader, Paul Castellano.
--- Quote --- Wayne Kernochan wrote:The Driver is a story about the streets of New York in the 1980s, and my involvement with Jimmy Coonan and a group of neighborhood gangsters that the media dubbed "The Westies." I wasn't one of them, I was a confused kid who drove a NYC taxicab and got in with a bad crowd. After I separated myself from them, Jimmy asked me to do a job for him, a simple pick up. The problem is that the man who picked me for the job was John Gotti, the guy I picked up was Richard 'the iceman' Kuklinski, and the job was the execution of Gambino crime boss Paul Castellano
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No credible person remembers him being at Elan. If you read through the Elan forum, you can get a handle on how people can prove themselves uncredible.
The y23 person you are communicating with pretended to be someone called "yevette," before admitting to be a man, and now claiming to be staff.
I don't know what sort of support for your cause you can expect to get by appealing for it on this forum. Good luck.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Che Gookin" ---Given I think you are a creepy disturbed little fucker, no not at all. And fuck you, I never once mentioned anything about your nephew. I'm the one that told them to knock it off.
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OK, just so I get this straight you really think I raped and sodomized people. All based on comments made on the internet. You are comfortable assuming I did these horrible actions.
Well that helps me out, Aaron.
Thanks.
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I do. A lot of people do
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And some do not. And some are not sure.
Danny, I really do miss your "rebuttal of Wayne's book" thread. I looked forward to reading all of your updates in it. Perhaps you could consider returning it or some semblance of it to the forum?
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Don't know if you are being serious or not but I will answer anyway. I will be bringing it back I am just having it done a bit more professionally. I want to post it all at once so the trolls can not interrupt the consistency.
There is no way I would deprive Fornits.
It will be back in a week at the most.
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Oh, I was quite serious. However, I think I rather prefer the real deal, the dark and dirty DannyB ... to the more "professionally polished" version. I suspect that there might be some key elements lost in the translation, so to speak.
DannyB II:
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Ursus wrote:
Oh, I was quite serious. However, I think I rather prefer the real deal, the dark and dirty DannyB ... to the more "professionally polished" version. I suspect that there might be some key elements lost in the translation, so to speak.
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Why would you want a rebuttal, if you have no intention of being objective?? Is their a reason you have to consistently undermine everything I do here on fornits??
Finally, do you really believe I am dark and dirty, just want to know??
Why is it you can't comment on the information brought forward that contradicts what Wayne has said??
Is there a reason you can not see my side of this and look at it reasonably??
Am I nothing but a liar, someone you can't trust.??
Have I shown you a character trait that is deceitful, treacherous and totally insensitive to others??
Is there a part of me I have shown you that I am unaware of that could rape, sodomize, have a 14 yr old
child (young woman) beaten and kicked senseless by 20 people (twice) then take the same child and tie her to the back of a Van and
drag her around a black top parking lot, have a young girl 17 stand up in front of a house and ask everyone
if they want to rape her, then proceed to rape her myself, then on another day sodomize 2 young men including the author of the book??
Is this what you mean by dark and dirty??
Please do tell me Ursus if this is where you are going?? If you have been so effected by me that you can not even be objective anymore.
That your damaged emotions will allow you to entertain vindictiveness and revenge.
Troublemaker:
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Ursus wrote:
Oh, I was quite serious. However, I think I rather prefer the real deal, the dark and dirty DannyB ... to the more "professionally polished" version. I suspect that there might be some key elements lost in the translation, so to speak.
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Why would you want a rebuttal, if you have no intention of being objective?? Is their a reason you have to consistently undermine everything I do here on fornits??
Finally, do you really believe I am dark and dirty, just want to know??
--- Quote ---Yes
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Why is it you can't comment on the information brought forward that contradicts what Wayne has said??
--- Quote ---Because you've provided no proof
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Is there a reason you can not see my side of this and look at it reasonably??
--- Quote ---Because you're a liar and abuser
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Am I nothing but a liar, someone you can't trust.??
--- Quote ---Bingo
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Have I shown you a character trait that is deceitful, treacherous and totally insensitive to others??
--- Quote ---Absolutely
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Is there a part of me I have shown you that I am unaware of that could rape, sodomize, have a 14 yr old
child (young woman) beaten and kicked senseless by 20 people (twice) then take the same child and tie her to the back of a Van and
drag her around a black top parking lot, have a young girl 17 stand up in front of a house and ask everyone
if they want to rape her, then proceed to rape her myself, then on another day sodomize 2 young men including the author of the book??
--- Quote ---Always
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Is this what you mean by dark and dirty??
--- Quote ---Yes
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Please do tell me Ursus if this is where you are going?? If you have been so effected by me that you can not even be objective anymore.
That your damaged emotions will allow you to entertain vindictiveness and revenge.
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I'll leave the last question alone since you're addressing Ursus
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Oh, I was quite serious. However, I think I rather prefer the real deal, the dark and dirty DannyB ... to the more "professionally polished" version. I suspect that there might be some key elements lost in the translation, so to speak.
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Why would you want a rebuttal, if you have no intention of being objective?? Is their a reason you have to consistently undermine everything I do here on fornits??
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< sigh > Ya know, Danny, you are your own worst enemy. Why do you so frequently assume the worst possible interpretation of someone's intentions? I guess I should say that I can't really speak for anyone else here, but... this seems to have been *my* experience with you. (That said, I could also be wrong, and misunderstanding something, and guilty of the very thing I chide you for.)
Where do you read that I "have no intention of being objective?" What did I say that caused you to interpret that I was "consistently undermin[ing]" you? Most of the time, I'm too busy with other stuff to even bother injecting myself in your battles, colorful as they may be.
I'll admit, I don't mind an occasional spar with you on the threads, but... there's a limit. My cutoff point being, apparently, quite a bit lower than yours.
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Finally, do you really believe I am dark and dirty, just want to know??
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Lol. "Dark and dirty" refers to the raw uncut or less cut version, the implication being that its power, worthiness of interest, flavor, etc. has not been marred or damaged by excessive pruning or prettying up. E.g., dark and dirty stout ale, dark and dirty Cabernet, dark and dirty apple cider, etc. The appearance of the brew or extract is more opaque, the flavor more pronounced, having not been excessively filtered. It was meant as a complement.
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Why is it you can't comment on the information brought forward that contradicts what Wayne has said??
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In the interest of fairness and the furthering of discussion, I've been trying to stay somewhat on the fringes. It seemed that, thus far, both pov's were being adequately expressed. And I thought you were doing a great job with the rebuttal. However, you are the only one who can really state your case like that.
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Is there a reason you can not see my side of this and look at it reasonably??
Am I nothing but a liar, someone you can't trust.??
Have I shown you a character trait that is deceitful, treacherous and totally insensitive to others??
Is there a part of me I have shown you that I am unaware of that could rape, sodomize, have a 14 yr old
child (young woman) beaten and kicked senseless by 20 people (twice) then take the same child and tie her to the back of a Van and
drag her around a black top parking lot, have a young girl 17 stand up in front of a house and ask everyone
if they want to rape her, then proceed to rape her myself, then on another day sodomize 2 young men including the author of the book??
Is this what you mean by dark and dirty??
Please do tell me Ursus if this is where you are going?? If you have been so effected by me that you can not even be objective anymore.
That your damaged emotions will allow you to entertain vindictiveness and revenge.
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Mmm. Again, I think your speculations here are, as I mentioned above, presuming a bit much. I trust that ample opportunity to discuss specifics will come up in the soon to be resuscitated rebuttal thread?
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