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Comments left for the above article, "Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse?" (by Susan Donaldson James; April 12, 2011; ABC News), #s 26-50:


Posted by: ModMom2010 · Apr-12-2011
I have to add this: You are taking your child for treatment anywhere for anything and they make you sign an agreement first saying you won't sue them and huge flashing red lights didn't go off? Stop being brainwashed by your religion and give thinking for yourself a try. I also find it abhorrent that you lied to your child and told her she was going on vacation. What where you thinking or did you? I so feel for Priscilla but I think her parent have even more to answer for then the so called school.Posted by: e man 90 · Apr-12-2011
Send your wayward daughter to us. We'll scare the Bejesus into her.Posted by: vissionquest · Apr-12-2011
You can not sign away your rights that prevent you from being abused. Abuse is illegal and no religious jargon can change that. The story also avoided saying what type of training these abusers have. These people have created their own god who thinks wacking a child is ok. If this went on at a public school the perpetrators would be in jail. There is a large difference between influencing children and beating them into submission. There is a large difference between teaching and brainwashing.Posted by: prop_wash · Apr-12-2011
There's Christianity and then there's fundamentalism. They are NOT the same thingPosted by: JusticeForYouAndMe · Apr-12-2011
No matter what my child did, I would never ship him/her away to an unseen facility that promises to "reform" the. I mean, really, what did she expect would happen?!Posted by: AdeeJay7 · Apr-12-2011
Just because there are whackos out there, doesn't mean you should lump all of Christianity into the same pot. You know, prisons are full of non-Christians who rape, murder and abuse, that doesn't mean I think everyone who isn't a Christian is a murdering rapist! There are psychos and crazies and awful people in every walk of life, there's no denying that. But don't assume that a fundamentalist Christian is a child abuser just because you hear stories like this. It's like assuming that every Catholic is a pedophile, every Muslim is a terrorist, every old lady has a million cats, every President will have an affair with his interns, every homeless person is a drunk, every immigrant is illegal, etc, etc, etc...it's just illogical and ridiculous. It's also illogical to assume that something is true just because it was featured on some ABC news program. Now THAT is crazy!Posted by: kabee2 · Apr-12-2011
It sounds like Catholic school.Posted by: AdeeJay7 · Apr-12-2011
For the record, I'd also like to say that as a member of an IFB church, I would still never send my child away to a reform school just because someone says I should, it doesn't matter how highly praised or whatever. I'M her parent, it's MY responsibility to help her, not some school or camp! I won't even send my dogs away to obedience school, because you just never know what really goes on. Parents, you can never be too careful, it doesn't matter what church or religion you are a part of, protect your kids! Because YOU are the ones who will one day answer to God for them, YOU are the ones who love them, not some strangers at a camp who don't even know your them! Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are.Posted by: WAswissmiss · Apr-12-2011
As a mother I sure she was doing what she thought was best for her daughter. The men who run the places are master manipulaters who put on a great show when they travel to churches raising support for their program. How do I know...I was in one! If you didn't perform to their liking you paid dearly. People need to focus on the men who run these places, the sherrifs who allow them to stay open, and the Social Services who won't step up and close these places. I too belong to SIA, and numerous survivor groups. I also personally have spent hours on the phone trying to get someone in the great state of MO to give a damn and close these homes down. Why not direct your anger and frustrations against the true abusers in a way that could possible get these places closed, instead of attacking a poor mother who was decieved and made a mistake, and will be paying for it the rest of her life(you think it won't haunt her).Posted by: ModMom2010 · Apr-12-2011
WAswissmiss I hope it haunts her with every heartbeat. She was "deceived" because she didn't do her duty as a parent. Sending your horribly traumatized child to reform school? That's beyond stupid and she deserves every bad thing being said about her. I wonder where the father of those 10 kids was when his wife(?) was adding to the destruction of their child's life?Posted by: tbirdPI · Apr-12-2011
Before you can UNDERSTAND the "why" of a teenager being sent to one of these "christian" lock-ups, a multitude of them highly praised/supported by IFB curches, you need to try understanding the MINDSET established in many of these IFB churches, identical to the ones where Tina Anderson, Jocelyn Zichterman and Rachel Griffith attended. Also, please keep in mind that, just like what happened to Tina, Jocelyn and Rachel, what you have read about are NOT isolated incidences. Homes just lke Circle of Hope and New Beginnings are operating all over the United States and abroad, a large portion of them operating "under the radar" just like the 2 schools featured in this article. Like Rachel Griffin stated on 20/20, in alot of IFB churches, you don't QUESTION anything told to you by those in authority. If a pastor recommends sending a pot-smoking teenager, a teen who has accused a member of the church/family member of sexual abuse, or a teenager that does not want to conform with the teachings of the church, "SHIP THEM OFF TO BROTHER SO and SO's "christian" boarding school that we send your hard earned tithes to every month. HE'LL straighten them out and make them compliant!"I am a survivor of one of these homes, New Bethany in Arcadia, La. Owned and operated by Mack W. Ford, a follower and colleague of the late Lester Roloff. Mack Ford opened New Bethany in the early 1970's and was finally forced to OFFICIALLY close it in 2001, but we have evidence showing that he still boarded girls/boys there until 2004. (under the radar). We also have evidence that churches STILL have this man on their "missionaries" list and send money to him on a regular basis. We wonder what else he might be doing "under the radar". We also wonder why MANY of his employees, some actually being arrested in the past for child abuse, and others working directly with or in close proximity to children who have been publicly called out as abusers. Google "Survivors of New Bethany"....Posted by: tashibelle · Apr-12-2011
I'm sure there are some good Christian reform schools out there, but unfortunately, there are some bad ones too. But I question the mother's sincerity. Her child was rebelling and acting out following a gang rape and the mother sends her to reform school rather than counseling. This kid was obviously in need of some help and it seems the mother was the first one to let her down. Parenting is tough .... I realize that. But reform school doesn't seem like a rational choice for a girl who has been gang raped.Posted by: virginia Hale · Apr-12-2011
The problem is demonizing teenagers. Teenagehood is a natural part of growing up. Teenagers don't make sense, have no sense of danger and demand freedoms. There is no doubt this is a trying time for parents. That does not mean teenagers are the devil. That is such a huge mistake our entire culture is making. Teenagers are a wonderful time to witness, they require more attention then a baby and when handled well they grow into the most amazing adults. Parents can handle the job as many have in history and teenagers deserve respect. Stop taking our problems out on teens. Kids deserve a good childhood and they deserve to grow up.Posted by: foodandart · Apr-12-2011
Is twenty-thousand dollars TOO much to pay so as NOT to have to talk to your children? These schools have been around as long as I can remember, abusing parents and their children. Total scams, every last one - hence the contractual agreements to not sue when the truth becomes known..Posted by: MsT-Mac · Apr-12-2011
But the Bible-thumpers get on here everyday, screaming about Muslim terrorists. The terrorists are Christian Fundamentalists. No different. I actually saw a priest (no offense to Catholics meant here) on FOX News this morning, commenting that our elected politicians owe the voting public a stance on their religion and religious practices. His Holiness (now I'm just being cute) said that other Presidents like Bush and Obama have put other priorities in front of church going on some Sundays. No freaking (bleep!). Ya think? The airhead blond hostess was sitting there nodding and grinning in agreement at this (bleep!). The President just may have to put off going to church every Sunday. Wars are going on. Disasters are happening all over the world. Our budget needs balancing, etc., etc., etc. These people are trying desperately to incorporate (Christian) religion into our government. They want a theocracy. They really do. These are the really scarey people, folks. The Right-less Wing Christian Fundamentalists. Yessir! They will happily dictate your life and your religion -- keep voting them in sheep.Posted by: jeh2742 · Apr-12-2011
The problem is not demonizing teenagers. The problem world-wide is religious fanaticism.Always the deeply conservative advocate harsh discipline in a structured society. Always the same people envision themselves at the top of the structure and delivering (not receiving) the discipline.This goes from these ridiculous institutions described in this report to school paddling.Its not us Iraq, or us against Afghanistan. We need to recognize the great danger the far right conservatives of the world represent.Posted by: MsKittyCat · Apr-12-2011
Thank you for telling this story on ABC News. These abusive places are a big money maker for people who live to deceive. Imagine, free labor and lots of dough rolling in from parents and supporting churches. Children are abused unimaginable, and all for profit. This mother did make mistakes, as she was not given adequate information. Her daughter should have had professional counseling after her rape. But churches do not like secular counseling, and will deceive a mother into doing what she thinks is the right thing for the child she loves. I am glad she is pursuing justice for her daughter, and she is brave to speak out. Pricilla, my heart aches for her. I, too, am a survivor of such a place. 1974 was decades ago, but the abuse still haunts me.Posted by: Tarheel Chief · Apr-12-2011
What is the alternative? Can these young men and women continue to torture their relatives? If they are not going to school,what are they doing to the business people and government officers?Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-12-2011
So, if the New Beginnings Girls Academy was so terribly traumatizing, I am curious at to why Ms. Campbell stayed there for 4 years, until she was 19 years old? Wouldn't one think that she would leave as soon as she turned 18? Things that make you go, hmmmm.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-12-2011
If the New Beginnings Girls Academy was so traumatizing, why did Ms. Campbell choose to stay there for 4 years, until she was 19 years old? Wouldn't she have left the minute she turned 18? Things that make you go, hmmm. Also, most of the girls sent to these homes are so out of control that their parents cannot physically or emotionally handle them. Many of them are addicted to drugs and alcohol. Some of them are even suicidal. Have you ever seen someone going through withdrawal from substance abuse? Have you ever dealt with a teenager that is violently rebellious, or one that is trying to kill themselves? There are some situations that call for physical restraint. As for working on a farm and not doing schoolwork... there are times in life that hard work accomplishes more in teaching life lessons than schoolbooks. Did you ever think that the girl was so rebellious that she refused to do her schoolwork and therefore was made to do physical work. As for the parents... they couldn't control their daughters in the first place and then when their children are a menace to society because of their bad parenting, they get upset that someone else has to go to extremes to get their child under control. There's always at least two sides to every story. While I don't condone abuse and any serious allegations should not go uninvestigated, many of these stories sound like exaggerated tales from bratty, rebellious kids and their wimpy excuses for parents.Posted by: ANCHORVICTIM · Apr-12-2011
HEH IF THEYWANT TO KNOW ABOUT ABUSE OF A SCHOOL AND WANT AN INTERVIEW ID BE GLAD TO GIVE THEM A GOOD ONE OF THE ANCHOR BOYS HOME AND THE ABUSE THAT WENT ON THERE DETAIL AFTER DEATIL WAS THERE FOR A YEAR HAVE SEVERAL STORIES AT LEAST 20 PLUS OTHER KIDS THIS SAME TORTURE HAPPEND TO ITS PRETTY INSANE THE TORTURE TACTICS THEY USED ON US SO ABC AND THE WORLD I HAVE A NEW SCHOOL TO EXPLOIT THE HORRENDOUACTS THAT OCCURED AT THE ANCHOR BOYS HOME KNO CALLED THE ANCHOR ACADEMY THAT HAS HOPPED TO 3 DIFF STATES LIKE A CRIMINALPosted by: ANCHORVICTIM · Apr-12-2011
U KNO DNT MAKE A COMMENT ON HERE UNLESS U HAVE BEEN THRU ONE OF THESE SCHOOLS URSELF OR HAVE HAD FIRST HAND KIND OF EXPERIENCEPosted by: ANCHORVICTIM · Apr-12-2011
THERE IS MAJOR ABUSE IN MOST OF THESE BOARDING / REFORM SCHOOLS THEY ARE A SEVERE DETRIMENT TO OUR SOCIETY ...THE ABUSE AND TORTURE IS BLINDED LIES AND COVERUPS SCAMS AND SCANDALS ....MYSELF HAS SPENT ONE YEAR IN THE ANCHOR BOYS HOME CURRENTLY CALLED ANCHOR ACADEMY .....THEY USED METHODS OF TORTURE AND LOCKDOWN SEVERE PHYSICAL PAIN WHICH WAS ALMOST UNBEARABLE AND EXCRUCIATING AT TIMES .... MENTALLY EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED ..SO DNT THINK THIS GIRL IS JUST SOME BRATTY KID MAD AT THE SCHOOL TELLING LIES STOP BEIN IGNORANT AND REALIZE WE HAVE A SERIOUS EPIDEMIC HERE STOP BEIN BLINDED BY LIES AND COVERUPS AND THINKIN THESES CHILDREN R WRONG CAUSE THEYARENT PEOPLE OF AMERICA THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH AND THIS IS SOMTHING MAJOR THAT HAS TO COME TO A STOP AND MUST BE DEALT WITH ASAP KIDS R SUFFERING OUT THERE AS I TYPE ...IF ABC WANTS A TESTIMONY OF THE ANCHOR BOYS HOME SCANDAL THEY KNO WHO TO REACHPosted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-12-2011
I was also abused by this "school". The things that Ms. Campbell are claiming are true, and maybe she couldn't leave when she was 18 because she had no money or way to leave, and them pushing her to stay there. Mind control is some sickening stuff, and that is exactly what they do. This place is not helping troubled teens in any way shape or form, and needs to be shut down ASAP.Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-12-2011
I was also abused by this "school". The things that Ms. Campbell saying are true and maybe the reason she couldn't leave when she was 18 might have been that she had no money or way to leave, and also maybe they pushed her to stay there. Mind control/brainwashing are sickening things, and they use these tactics all the time. I am so thankful that this story is up, and that this place is finally getting exposed. This is no place to send your troubled teens, and they need to be shut down ASAP.

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Comments left for the above article, "Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse?" (by Susan Donaldson James; April 12, 2011; ABC News), #s 51-75:


Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-12-2011
Actually, I know Ms. Campbell personally and I have no connection to the New Beginnings Girls Academy. I know that she chose to stay there. She has friends and family that would have found a way to get her home if that's where she wanted to be. She chose to stay and WORK there!Posted by: thenothingorchid · Apr-13-2011
You know Ms. Campbell personally? Here's some questions that make me go "hmmm..." Did you happen to stumble upon this site by accident, and say to yourself "Hey, I know this girl?" I'm guessing not. And if you know her personally, then are you not comfortable asking her directly why she is doing what she does today? .......You either know her well enough to have known that his was coming out, or you were told about this article because you are IFB and are here to try your hand at diverting some attention away from serious issues. The only other thing left is that you might have some creepy obsession with her because you went to N.B.G.A. with her and hated her for some reason. I don't doubt that you know her somehow, but you obviously don't know her well enough to know her reasons for doing what she does today. I can't think of anyone coming here, saying they know Brittany Campbell personally, and saying the things you are saying without some kind of agenda behind it. Now that I've got that out of the way, I'll try to help you understand things a little better, seeing as how you are having such a hard time with it. (I'm sure.) When you are put into an abusive situation by the people you love, then going to them for help is kind of out of the question, especially when a cult mentality is permeating everyone's judgement. And friends? Your only friends are IFB friends after years spent in a controlled, oppressive, cultish environment. Your old friends are bad people....They drink. They do drugs. They have sex. Acknowledging their existence is a punishable offense, let alone opening up a line of communication. I'm going to stop there, because I feel stupid explaining this to you. I know that you know the reasons why. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell you are trying to accomplish by posting what you are posting.Posted by: Survivor Rhonda · Apr-13-2011
As soon as you arrive at one of these homes, the *Brainwashing* and *Mainipulation* Sets In. A Child finds it very Hard to *Overcome* the Leaders Abuse. Therefor you convert to it, and you *Follow* the Leader as he says, to try to Avoid Punishment. Which was Never Mild. You are made to "Believe" you are Worthless, that not even God, Loves you!! They *Convince* you that you are only *Safe* there!! And that the *Devil* is going to eat you up, as soon as you leave. I hope this *Enlitens* you as to *Why* Ms. Campbell may have stayed on as Staff. I find it kind of *Sad * that you know her and have no connection to New Beginnings, that you would post that question on the internet, and not to her directly.Posted by: Survivor Rhonda · Apr-13-2011
I was in a home, a lot like new beggings, and I can tell you from experience, that the *Brainwashing* that occurs, starting the moment you walk through the door is hard for a childs mind to let go of, just cause you can leave. *Many are Brainwashed into beliving no one wants them and that the devil, is waiting for you outside the gate. The Fear of the Devil is Overwhelming to a child when these people spaek of him!! I can completly understand why she would have stayed on as staff, sometimes your just too scared to leave. I left the home I was in and it was so hard to go out into the world again, I was afraid of my own shadow. I knew my family loved me, yet I didn't trust them anymore. I guess it's hard to exsplain to someone who hasn't been victimized like that. I do find it sad, that someone who claims to know Ms. Campbell, but not a resident of NBGA would come on the internet and pose such a question, instead of just asking her directly. Just seems a little hutful to me, just sayin' I hope this help answer your question.Posted by: NothingbutTruthSeeker · Apr-13-20115
I have been looking through websites, blogs, etc. regarding this story.Posted by: thenothingorchid · Apr-13-2011
I'd also just like to point out that once you strip all of that doublespeak out of your second post, you are basically insinuating that Brittany Campbell was a rebellious teenager who was dangerous to herself and others, and that being sent to New Beginnings was tough love. And after saying you know her personally.....It probably wouldn't be hard to figure out how you know her.Posted by: thenothingorchid · Apr-13-2011
What I mean by that is as follows.....You know her personally, aren't affiliated with N.B.G.A., and hold the attitude that you do about her. So you obviously aren't a friend of hers today, or you'd know the answers to all of your questions. So I'd peg you for an IFB church member, maybe from her old church, that know the people that put her there. Or maybe a little closer to her than that. I don't know. But I do know that your posts reek of agenda. You would have been better off leaving out the part where you know her personally if you were hoping to discredit the girl.Posted by: NothingbutTruthSeeker · Apr-13-2011
Bits and pieces of these stories may be true. If so, there ought to be further investigation and serious action should be taken. People should be, at the very least, ashamed. However, I happen to know at least one of the women in the story, and some of her claims are without a shadow of doubt, false. This is unfortunate. People who are going to make accusations should be very careful with the facts. I don't know what, if anything, to believe here. I do know that troubled teens who don't get well tend to become troubled adults, and never seem to stop pointing the finger of blame at someone or something else.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
You want to know my agenda? Exactly what my name says.. I am seeking the truth. I don't want exaggerated stories trying to demonize an entire denomination as a cult. If there are people committing crimes that are IFB church members, I want them brought to justice because they are criminals, not because they are IFB members. I want to see the puffed up "made for tv" drama put out of the way so the facts can be presented. The comments in my first post were entirely to give another point of view, nothing more and nothing less. I posed a question about Ms. Campbell that needed to be asked publicly because she made her story public yet left out any information about her working at the home in spite of all the abuse she endured. I'm trying to sort out the information in these stories that don't add up. If you think I have an agenda and shouldn't be asking these questions, what do you think it's going to be like for these girls when they're sitting in front of a jury with a hardball defense lawyer drilling them?Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-201110
Okay, I don't think you are getting the point here. Something IS being done. What do you think this story is doing on the ABC national news this is SERIOUS ACTION. I was a rebellious teenager myself who wound up in New Beginnings right there with Brittany, and yes it may have gotten us out of what we were doing at the moment, but when 99% of the people that I was there with got out they went back to doing what they wanted to do, and turned out to have all of these various physcological and physical problems because of their lack of medical care and the mental abuse...ALL of the stories are true and if you aren't affiliated with NBGA then how would you know that someone's story is false?Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
I am not the same person as NothingbutTruthSeeker, so don't mix our posts in together as if we're the same person. I have no idea who NothingbutTruthSeeker is or who the girl they know is.Posted by: brandandy97 · Apr-13-2011
ya wellPosted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-2011
Okay, well that is really odd that both of your names have "truth seeker" but , its still a fact that New Beginnings Girls Academy is abusing girls daily creating more survivors for the current survivors to deal with. I was mentally abused, and saw others physically and mentally abused. We have a survivor group of more then 50 girls who attended the school and who would be willing to give a testimony that this place is abusive and they were abused. I could go on and on and on about NBGA and how abusive is and how extreme the rules they make you follow are. They expect you to be PERFECT. There is no talking (to anyone) If you have a question(and you have to ask permission for EVERYTHING) you have to raise your hand to a staff member and if they "feel" like answering you they will. On Sundays you can't ask any questions, even if something is seriously wrong or you have a dire need, they expect you to just deal with it and also If something is wrong you CANNOT tell your parents on the phone or through the mail because the phone calls are MONITORED and if you say something about their rules or how you want to go home or anything that they don't like they will cut you off or make you re-write your letter until it is to their liking. This place is a horrible place, and we are trying HELP people understand that so the abuse can stop.Posted by: thenothingorchid · Apr-13-2011
If IFB members don't want to be lumped in with what is going on here, then it is up to you to go to your church and help them take a stance in regards to the abuse being committed. The same thing happened with the Catholic Church, with Catholics saying that the people should be brought to justice, not the church itself. But when more and more of the story came out, it wasn't such a cut-and-paste story, was it? Churches hiding abuse. Moving priests around, much in the same fashion that these homes jump from state to state. The parallels are hard to ignore. And if you truly ARE a truth seeker, i suggest you go to Brittany Campbell's blog, where she makes no effort to hide that she worked at N.B.G.A. But your actions are either that of a devil's advocate, or an IFB church member whose feathers were ruffled by your organization being mentioned on a national level because of negative, criminalistic actions. And how do you know her personally again?Posted by: danis1415 · Apr-13-201115
I know Brittany Campbell personally as well. She is my younger sister. So as you can see I know her WELL. She IS telling the whole truth. I am not affiliated with N.B.G.A or HER OLD CHURCH so I have no agenda either way. I just need to say that I know her and I know she isn't lying about a single word. I have PERSONALLY seen the affects N.B.G.A has had on her both physically and emotionally. There is NEVER a good excuse for subjecting ANY child no matter how rebellious they may or MAY NOT have been to the things my sister was subjected to. I have seen her tears and I have felt her pain. She is very passionate and puts many many hours along with a regular, very full time job into bringing awareness to this very important issue. Her heart breaks daily for all the girls she knows from her past at N.B.G.A and those still there being abused as we speak. Someone who is #### cuz they didn't get their way or just has an ax to grind will generally make a couple o comments and then move on. They don't dedicate their lives to it as Brittany has. I LOVE YOU BRITT. DON"T LET THIS GET TO YOU. <3Posted by: misha w. · Apr-13-2011
My name is Camisha, I was a former student at New Beginnings Girls Academy which use to be in Pace,FL. I was in the home for almost six years and have to admit i have seen some very disturbing things. Alot of us "girls" at the home were afraid to speak against anything that went on that were wrong. the director was a christian man who seemed as if he meant well. After being there for about two weeks I started noticing something very weird about him. He would wake us up in the middle of the night and preach at us for hours sometimes. This did not happen every night but on the occasions that it did happen he would get extremely upset and yell and scream in our faces while sometimes we were made to stand for hours so we would not fall asleep. I remember being terrified when this would happen. I was only 14 years old when I came to the home. I did have a lot of problems and I do admit I was a trouble teen. I have seen little girls 12 or 13 go through some of the most terrible punishments. One punishment which was called "jcmt" was when a girl was being rebellious staff members (about 5 grown people) would tackle her and hold her down and put pressure on her arms and legs. I had this happen to me once when I was 17 for fighting which in the circumstance I could understand why this happen beacause I was trying to hurt another student, but I have seen this action taken against girls who simply did not follow a command and who were half my size and weight. This action leaves bruises and is very painful! I just really believe that these homes for troubled teens need to be monitored. I think staff memebers need to be trained and have licenses before they can work in these homes for childen or teens. This really needs to be investigated so it does not go on and these homes cannot just move to a different state and continue doing what they are doing.Posted by: misha w. · Apr-13-2011
I was reading some of these post and I have to say that I do know Miss. Brittany Campbell personally she was a staff member and also my dorm mom when I was in the home. I know where she is coming from because I also helped out in the home when I was in the home. You have to under stand that we were being brainwashed and we were told that we were doing God's will by "helping" or giving back to God. I do feel guilty for participating in some of the things that occured. What people dont understand is that when you are in a place like this they make you so miserable that the only thing you want to do is fit in or be accepted. So alot of girls (not all of them) myself included make a false profession faith. If you don't make a profession you are singled out untill you do. I can go on and on but the main thing is that this place is real and these stories are not exaggeratted so please do not take what Miss.Campbell is trying to stand for lightly. Brittany Im proud of you for doing what I and others were not strong enough to do. I love you and keep up the good work!Posted by: jeriwhoo · Apr-13-2011
These IFB teen gulags are a necessary part of the cruel and sociopathic religion of the IFB. For if a teen child (or even pre-teen) is giving a parent trouble, that just won't work with the IFB emphasis on neat and tidy religious appearances, so they have to create and sustain these dumping grounds to get their non-conforming children out of public view. My heart goes out to the young lady featured in the story. And the cruelties of the Roloff-styled homes are legion. But what mother in her right mind, after her daughter has been GANG-RAPED, then sends her far from home to live in a reform school? Heartlessness and indifference to suffering are an embedded part of the IFB. And yes, that is true of the entire IFB. New Beginnings is certainly not the only teen gulag in the IFB gulag system. Many thanks to Susan Donaldson James for forcing a light into the IFB dark corners. I hope she will keep reporting on these matters.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
Thank you, Camisha, for your posts. That is the kind of straight forward, non-dramatized, information that I am looking for. Just to be clear, I don't agree with many of the "tactics" I am reading about. I sincerely want to see anyone that is guilty of abuse be prosecuted. I am not heartless and indifferent. I am playing devil's advocate for the purpose of getting to the facts. The fact is that I did not grow up in a sheltered church environment. I've seen real life... I've lived it. I've been a teen girl hitting and cussing at my parents, not coming home at night and making my parents worry sick about me. I was cruel and abusive to my parents and family, just like I am sure many of these girls were. I know how hard and rebellious I was and I know what I would have done if someone tried to tell me to do something I didn't want to do. I can see both sides of the story. There has to be a balance. There needs to be structure and control in these homes, or else it would be total anarchy. There also needs to be love, patience and understanding or else no positive changes will be made. It's one thing to say "look, only 18 pages of schoolwork were done, so that's proof of me not being taught while there", but I know that if they tried making me do schoolwork, I would have told them to kiss it and I'm sure that it would have taken a lot to make me do anything. I am not trying to make light of the trauma anyone endured. I just want to be sure I am getting the whole story.Posted by: danis1415 · Apr-13-201120
So.. TrthSkr78, It would be safe to assume that you feel the people who sent Ms. Campbell to New Begginings are an example of winpy excuses for parents???Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-2011
Well, I know what I saw when I was there, and it wasn't pretty. You aren't supposed to be afraid of someone that is trying to help you, and that's exactly how it was, every time he or his wife walked into the room my stomach would turn because you never knew what they were going to do, if he was gonna embarass you in front of everyone or tell us that our singing sucked and that we had to practice for 4 hours straight without being allowed to sit down. I bawled my eyes out for days when I first got there because I had no idea how I was going to follow all those extreme and crazy rules without getting in trouble and punished severely. It was awful and I found myself in a daze most of the time because you couldn't talk to anyone, and if you did you couldn't say anything they considered "negative" or again, you would be punished. All we had was our own minds, couldn't talk to anyone about how we felt, no "real" counseling or help with any of our problems on a personal level. All they did was preach at us and call it counseling, they never really addressed any real issues that would be important for teenagers to work on, if you talked about something you did in the past then you were "wicked" and punished for it. All of these things were done plus MUCH more and almost 7 years later I still can't grasp WHY all of this was done to me, why they would be so heartless and abusive, and lie to parents who are just trying to get help their children. I guess this is WHY we are so involved and want something done, its messed up on so many different levels and we are STILL having to deal with it.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
danis1415... I didn't see anything in the story about the people that sent Ms. Campbell to NBGA crying about what was done to get her under control and to the point where she wasn't cutting herself and being a danger to herself. Actually, I'm wondering what you, as her loving and most caring older sister, were doing to help her when she was mutilating herself and running away to go get high and drunk at the tender age of 15?NBGAsurvivor... I don't doubt that life at NBGA wasn't a good experience for you. From the stories I'm reading, it appears that most of the girls go right back to the same self-destructive behaviors they had prior to going to NBGA. This would indicate that something needs to change with the way things are done there. The question is not whether the tactics they are employing are morally and ethically correct, but rather, does it constitute criminal abuse?Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-2011
You tell me if forcing a minor to force another minor into a freezing cold shower with all of her clothes on while she screams because she wouldn't stand in a circle of masking tape on the floor til 4 in the morning is child abuse? Hitting someone with a 2x4 several times out of anger because the girl who won't listen just desperately wants to go home, and is sick of sleeping on a tile floor for months straight and only one pair of clothes to wear, them making her feel like she is a complete piece of crap and that she will never amount to anything, is that abuse??? how would you feel if you had to experience or see any of these things and then people told you that you were lying or were just a brat with whimpy parents? how would that make you feel??Posted by: IhopeIcanhelp · Apr-13-2011
They claim that their treatment of people is based on the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible you will not find those statements that are supposedly in the Bible. They are false what they say or just cherry picking the Bible.Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-201125
I also want to put it out there, that I will not stop spreading awareness or speaking out about this until JUSTICE IS SERVED and they are forever shut down and banned from working with children. This is nonsense that this place is even still up and running, so many parents are being lied to and thinking that their children are in good hands. It angers me that there are girls there RIGHT NOW as I type this suffering through the things that I had to go through, maybe even worse. I am one person but trying to be a voice for those that are there and HAVE NO voice, and no way to get out of this horrible environment.

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Posted by: IhopeIcanhelp · Apr-13-2011
The fundamentalist group says they get their authority out of Old Testament / Hebrew Bible. I found nothing of bruising the child is the way to dicipline the child. Let them read the Talmud to find what was the thinking of the Jewish sages. These people are to my thoughts evil.Posted by: danis1415 · Apr-13-2011
TrthSkr78: Was just wandering if you felt the same about them being wimpy parents as you obviously do for the parents featured in the article. Sounds like a double standard going on here to me. As far as my being concerned for Brittany's issues before being sent to the home her legal gaurdians did as much as posible to keep her away from me. If I voiced to much concern (especially if my oppinion was too much in the way of anti-IFB) my time with her was VERY limited. They would never just come out and say no you can't see her. Instead they would make excuses about being to busy for them to bring her to see me or me to go see her. Her gaurdian and I did discuss our concerns and worries over Brittany on a few occasions. I always said I thought sending her to the home was way to extreme. I made other suggestions as alternatives and they were completely blown off. I suggested counseling. That was not a viable solution to them as they felt counseling was bogus. They said the only acceptable counseling she needed was through the pastor and the church.They beleived that deppression was also a bogus concept. They beleive that deppression is an excuse for bad behavior. Things such as antideppressants are totally taboo. I also suggested JobCorp. JobCorp. is a very viable and successful organization. It actually gives teenagers who are successful in the program REAL life skills upon finishing the program. By the way, YES, many of the tactics the home employs IS criminal abuse and the leaders of this home should be held accountable and put behind bars. See here: The guidelines the state of Missouri is SUPPOSED to go by to protect these kids. http://www.dss.mo.gov/cd/info/cwmanual/ ... h7sub3.htm. Also, I have no problem letting the public know who I am. If you are so cinvinced of you convictions why not say who you are???[/list]
Posted by: IhopeIcanhelp · Apr-13-2011
As a Jew I don't believe that there is devil a being that is. But evil is in us in our hearts,and in our minds. It is like a horror that can be past from person to person.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
NBGAsurvivor... You are sounding dramatic again and the things you are saying sound horrible from your perspective. But that doesn't tell the whole story. You haven't given the circumstances surrounding these "abuses". I've already told you that if someone tried to make me do something, it would have taken a lot to make me do it. "Hitting someone with a 2x4 several times out of anger" is a vague statement and meant to make people conjure up visual images of a child being beat with a 2x4 over the head repeatedly. You aren't being specific about the situations and that just makes it all the harder to believe you are not exaggerating. I know you feel that I'm being a jerk, but if you all seriously want something done about this home you are going to have to understand that these vague, dramatic statements are not going to help you in court. A good defense lawyer is going to tear your stories apart and if you made them sound worse than what they turn out to be (not saying that they aren't bad to begin with, I don't know), a jury is going to discredit you as a witness. And let's be clear... I never said anyone was lying, nor did I say anyone was a brat with wimpy parents. I said that "many of these stories sound like exaggerated tales from bratty, rebellious kids and their wimpy excuses for parents." There's a big difference in pointing out the way a story comes across and saying that it is a fact. You would do better to listen to the points I am making rather than getting emotionally defensive.Posted by: IhopeIcanhelp · Apr-13-2011
Love is G_D, G_D is love. So love is the most powerful force in any society/culture. A group that ignores this are against G_D.Posted by: danis1415 · Apr-13-2011
TrthSkr78, I really don't know how you can say your not calling anyone a liar. You are totally saying that without just coming out and saying it. Do you think they are liars or not. You say it sounds like exaggerated tales but thats not exactly what YOU are saying. Which is it gonna be? You can't have it both ways.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
Danis1415... No double standard, just that you didn't comprehend what I clearly stated. I said that the parents came across as wimpy because they were crying about what extremes needed to be taken to get their child under control, regardless of the fact that they couldn't get the child under control themselves. There was nothing in the article stating that the people that sent Ms. Campbell to the home were crying about what it took to get her to stop mutilating herself, so I cannot say that they came across as wimpy, now can I? Since you've tried so hard to make yourself look like an angel in this whole situation, why were you not Ms. Campbell's legal guardian? It's very easy to point the finger when you weren't the one that was living with a self-destructive teenager. According to Ms. Campbell's story on her blog, she has made it clear that she doesn't blame her sister that was her legal guardian for sending her to NBGA... that she had a lot of problems and that her family (I would guess that includes you, since you are part of her immediate family) was a wreck. This would imply that you were too much of a wreck yourself to be of help to her. It makes no difference who I am... I am close enough to know more than was reported and distant enough to not be emotionally involved. My points remain the same.Posted by: concerned girl 03-07 · Apr-13-2011
I personaly went through the home with Brittany Campbell, she is an amazing person who has over come many things in her life. I was no angel in the home. I got hit with a two by four by a staff memeber its still abuse weather or not I personally wasnt doing anything wrong or if I was so out of control that does not give them the right to abuse.Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
Dictionaries are great tools: Lie - A false statement deliberately presented as being true Exaggeration - to represent as greater than is actually the case. You see besides being spelled differently, they actually have different meanings. I don't need to have it both ways because I never said anyone was a liar.Posted by: concerned girl 03-07 · Apr-13-2011
TrthSkr78 These stories do add up and I know Brittany Campbell personally as well. Maybe you should say how you know about Brittany Campbell and where you got all this stuff your comming up with. In the girls home they make it hard for you to leave and don't pay you even enough money when you are on jr staff to live or leave.Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-13-2011
I'm sorry if I sound "dramatic" but that is how i FEEL this kind of stuff really boils my blood and I have a real passion for this, because I lived it myself. If you want to go on believing that the things we are saying are "dramatized" or over exaggerated then go right ahead. We know what happened to us and we know the truth. we also know WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG, and they are WRONG! I don't have to go into detail on this post. What I have said is true, and I would swear it on a stack of bibles. I would have no problem if I ever went to court over this because the truth cannot be torn down.Posted by: danis1415 · Apr-13-2011
TrthSkr78 Now who's getting emotional and exaggerated. For someone who is not getting emotional about this you are getting very personal and you are being very insulting. I never said that Brittany blamed her guardian. Your putting words in my mouth. You don't know me or maybe you do, can't say because you won't reveal yourself but saying that I was to much of a wreck myself and insulting me doesn't phase me in the least. I have nothing to hide. In fact before Brittany was sent to the home in the discussion with her guardian about our concerns for Brittany I did say to her guardian that I thought Brittany's problems were to big for her or myself and that she needed a counselor. My points also remain the same. Perhaps if Brittany's guardian spoke for herself???Posted by: TrthSkr78 · Apr-13-2011
Not emotional or exaggerating... I pointed out exactly what Ms. Campbell says on her blog. I just read into what she wrote as meaning that her legal guardian couldn't handle the many problems she had and that the rest of her family was too much of a wreck to be of assistance to her. If you find that insulting, that would not be my fault. I also never put words in your mouth. You said and I quote, " I always said I thought sending her to the home was way to (sic) extreme. I made other suggestions as alternatives and they were completely blown off." Sounds like finger pointing to me, which is what I said you did. I just stated that on Ms. Campbell's blog that she does not blame her legal guardian. This discussion has ceased to be anything more than me reiterating what I've already said because of poor reading comprehension and my time is too precious for that. I'll continue my research elsewhere. I really do hope that justice is served for any wrongdoing on the part of any and every home where it may be occurring.Posted by: ElisabethScherger · Apr-14-2011
I feel extremely compelled to say something on here. Nothing I usually say about this is ever well receieved, but that does not change the truth. I too was in the new Beginnings Home from 2004-2007. I obviously can't comment on anything that went on outside of those three years, but I would say that I have a pretty good idea about the home from that amount of time. I have read many testimonies of girls that have left, "survivors" as they call themselves, and they all share one thing in common. They are full of half truths. Exaggeration is the only word that properly explains them. They take something that happened rarely, such as being woke up in the middle of the night, as something that happened constantly. I only knew Brittany in the home for about 1 of those years, so I won't begin to say everything she says is false. But I do know, for example, she made enough money where just 1 to 2 months of saving would have been plenty to leave. So when I read things that say she didn't have enough money to leave, I know that is not true. I have plenty of other opinions about her specific situation, but I am not on here for that. I am simply on here to say that as someone else pointed out, you are only receiving half truths. In some cases, no truth at all. There are many other girls who would say the same thing as I am. Also, consider, when someone says they have a group of 50 survivors, consider how many girls are not on there. A home that housed 25-30 at a time for around 15 years, you are talking about hundreds of girls.Posted by: Light_Shed · Apr-14-2011
Elisabeth, it's lovely that you had such a grand time during your stay, but like you said, you can't comment on times you weren't there ect. I was there in 01' to '03 and didn't witness "too much" but the things that I did were heinous, and makes me believe these girls stories even more. I personally never had to experience any of these horrible things, but like I said.. I did unfortunately have to witness some of the crap. And as far as you speaking on how much Brittany Made, I take it you were the one signing her paychecks? Or perhaps Keeping the financial books for the home?? The day you can say yes to either of those questions would be the day that you should speak on her financial situation. Until then I think you should keep your mouth shut and only speak for you self and that which pertains to you!Posted by: concerned girl 03-07 · Apr-14-2011
Yes, Elisabeth only talk about what you know not what you heard.Posted by: ElisabethScherger · Apr-14-2011
Thank you light shed for your comment., but can you tell me how much she made then? Because unless you can then your comment is no more valid than mine. I said I couldn't comment on what went on when I wasn't there, but thank you for that reminder. I love that you think I should keep my mouth shut because I believe that is the last thing you girls have done. You preach this tolerance and keeping an open mind to the hurt you supposedly went through, but if anyone says anything contrary to what you believe they need to shut up. Well I have been quiet long enough and I just simply want other people to know that some people are thankful and owe their lives to that ministry. I also know of countless situations where you all have gone and what you think, not what you know. I could give many examples if I had the time. But thank you concerned girl. People need to realize that 90% of the girls that went to the home went with serious issues, but becuase they still have issues it is the home's fault? That is laughable. Some people's time in the home may have been harder than others, but it was always a choice and they made it hard for themselves. Just as some people's lives now are harder than others, but again it is a choice. I am not saying some don't get dealt harder lots that others, but the majority of our circumstances are a choice.Posted by: Light_Shed · Apr-14-2011
Actually Elisabeth yes I can Say how much she made! But that is no ones business but hers, but yes I do know for a FACT that it was not enough to survive in the real world (and I do not know this from her, but from A conversation I heard between Miss. Heather and Mrs. Mac about Brittanys pay)!! And I also think you should READ more carefully, because you seem to think that I said you should "keep your mouth shut period" when in actuality I believe I said "speak on what pertains to you." Okay you took alot from that "Ministry" and like I said, thats good for you. But just as you took so much good from that time in your life, Others might have took bad from! Your story is just that, "YOUR STORY' you get on here and expect everyone to believe that this place is full of love and light and no bad at all and that what these girls are saying is all lies. Tell me why should they believe you over anyone else? NOBODY is gonna ever walk out of any situation like this and have the same feelings towards it as the next person! Like I said previously, I never had a hard time there, I feel the way that I do towards them because of abuse I PERSONALLY WITNESSED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WITH MY OWN EYES! And because of what I witnessed, if a girl that was their after me or before me says "they did this and that to me" I am to an extent going to believe what she is saying. Who am I to say she is lying just because I didn't see what, if anything, happened to her? I saw others mistreated so unfortunately I know it is possible it could have happened to her too! Im happy for the girls that did walk away from this place with a positive experience, and I also feel hurt for the ones that walked away with a bad experience. I just don't feel it's right for you to try to insinuate that they are lying about what they went through while in the home, simply because you didn't endure the same things!Posted by: b.burnias88 · Apr-14-2011
of course we have people out there that are gunna say that were not tellin the whole truth but the fact of the matter is we are telling the truth but your just to blind to see it. i went through nbga from 2003-2006 and seen many girls get treated badly, humilated, and pretty much tortured. if u didnt experience it (elisabeth) than dont judge the girls that are telling there storys open ur eyes to the truth because u know wat the truth is. the macs dont work for GOD they work for the DEVILPosted by: ahkydnic · Apr-14-2011
I admire Jeannie Marie and her daughter's bravery for speaking out about NBGA. The things that each and one of these girl's went through is very personal and it takes a lot of courage to talk about the things that have happened to them, especially because I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted everyone to know about their personal business. But the fact of the matter is, these people who run the home Bro Mac and his wife are definitely NOT sincere people. I know this because I too went through the home from 2004-2005. I came from a Buddhist family and my parents were desperate to send me there even though they knew it was a strict IFB Christian home. They felt they had no other choice, and being the parents that they were, they honestly did not know what else to do with me. I was singled out, mentally taunted until I confessed my sin and asked Jesus to save me. Their rules are extremely mind controlling and manipulating -- I had gotten in trouble when I spoke to my dad in Chinese over the phone, even though he doesn’t speak much English. My phone calls were immediately shut off once I tried to communicate with him in my home language. They ignore proper medical attention constantly, I remember being really sick and bed and not being able to go to the doctor’s. I had never been that sick my entire life -- I had a high fever running for days on end. All the girls who went through this place, they didn’t have a choice than to submit to their rules and controlling discipline, we had to play the part of the good Christian girl or else we couldn’t go home because Bro. Mac would tell our parents we weren’t ready. It becomes very difficult to explain all the rules and regulations of this place, and how it really felt to be one the girls, if you did not first-handedly experience it yourself.Posted by: ahkydnic · Apr-14-2011
Continued from last post --- However, as a girl who went through NBGA for an entire year, I can say that these girls are telling the truth as to their own personal experience here. Nobody has the time or the effort to sit and make up these stories or "exaggerate" them, we are not getting paid millions of dollars to make up these stories purely for your entertainment. These are actual events that unfortunately has happened to us, and I'm sorry if you cannot or are not capable of comprehending how exactly it happened to us, or you cannot fully empathize, but let me just say, these things really did happen. Homes like this do exist all across America, and out of all the girls who go through them, only a small percentage can truly say they were "helped" or "saved" and come out with a good experience. All in all, these homes are abusive, filled with untrained, unprofessional staff who claim to be doing "God's Work" and yet it is all a scam. They are scam artists who are there to make a quick buck and hiding all the money away, while hurting girl and girl abusing them during a very emotional, sensitive time in their life and the fact of the matter is, they need to be stopped, shut down, and prosecuted. Thank you for your time.Posted by: NBGAsurvivor · Apr-15-2011
"Anne left the school in January, but said the punitive approach left her with no self-worth and anxiety attacks so bad she cannot breathe. " "She looked like the most pitiful thing standing in the little snow boots I bought her -- mud-covered with a thin skirt covering her knees with dirt on it...Her face was ghostly white, her eyes bugged out and hair was pulled back. My tiny girl had a horrible look on her face...the most awful expression I have ever seen on the face of my children. I gasped and held my breath."Jeannie Marie said that when she held her daughter, "she was so weak and faint...and her body went limp. There was nothing left to her." "I just wanted to paste these parts of the article and also say that @Elisabeth do you realize that this girl was rescued from NBGA just 3 months ago? Are you gonna say that someone's mother would tell a "half-truth"? I don't think so. Why would people waste their time doing that? We are not trying to be insulting to you in any way and do honestly wish you the best in your life but you don't have to get on here and say that we are We have a very valid cause and none of use would ever make anything up. If there are so many girls who would agree with you then where the heck are they at? Where is your "praise group" group for the home? We have roughly 57 people in our group saying that this place is abusive and that being in there for so long does have long terms affects on some people. Also, there are several other girls who are not a part of our group because they simply can't handle thinking about what happened to them while they were in there. Some people were not as fortunate as you Elisabeth, Bro. Mac really liked you and everyone that was there with you knows that. Some people were on the wall for MONTHS straight and I KNOW that you know that. I don't Ithink you would think so much of them if you had been one of those stuck on the wall for months at a time and Bro. Mac openly rebuking you every chance he got.Posted by: ElisabethScherger · Apr-15-2011
I truly wish I had time to debate with every one of you, but I just don't. Asking if I think someone's mother would tell a half truth, I absolutely do. I have no idea who Jeannie Marie is so I will not speak about her. What I can say is when I worked on staff I talked to so may mothers who would tell me of their own accord, not because I or the Macs said so, but because they knew what was best for their daughter that she was not ready to come home and needed to stay longer. Then 5 minutes later they would be on their phone call with their daughter telling them they couldn't wait for them to come home. They were to scared to tell their daughter the truth. So, in that case they either lied to me or their daughter. That is only one of countless situations where that happened. I do not deny that my stay there was much smoother than others. I did feel awful for the girls who spent the majority of their year or more on discipline. I was only on a few times and hated it, but at the same time I chose to follow the rules so I wouldn't be on. Just as others didn't chose too. That is what I mean when I say it was a choice. If you think I was never openly rebuked than you are wrong as well. There was several times I was in trouble for something I didn't do. One time I even had to serve a six hour punishment for it. But guess what? That is life. I don't have a disorder because of it. The home may have not seemed the fairest to everyone, but neither is the real world. When you have a boss that yells at you are you going to tell him he needs to be shut down and he is causing you emotional distress? See how far that gets you. Regardless of all that, I am not leaving these comments for you girls. I know where you stand and I don't need you to reiterate it for me. I simply want anyone reading this article to know that not everyone feels the way you girls do. I know where I would have been without the home and many of you as well, regardless of whether you want to admit that.Posted by: turnhook · Apr-15-2011
You really need to stop trying to justify their actions by comparing life there to the real world. I have so much to say but will not do it here on the comment board. I will join forces with the survivors and share my truthful facts with ABC...I have prayed for this day to come , the day the truth would and could be told and someone listen. There are those that are way to strong to fall pray to their sick mind games.Posted by: Light_Shed · Apr-15-2011
I also find it interesting that Elisabeth keeps trying to compare this home to the real world. Last time I checked, some of the "disciplinary" tactics they use at New Beginnings is considered "Assault" out here in the "Real World" which is against the law to commit. Let me go to a mall and tell a group of girls to go jump on and restrain another girl because she doesn't want to listen to me. I'm PRETTY sure the girls that jump on her will not be praised for their actions! Better Yet, lets see Brother Mac go out to a local walmart with the girls and tackle one of them himself because she tried to "run" or have other girls hold her down while He openly rebukes her and tells her she smells like masturbation in front of everyone in the store... I Highly Doubt that He would be walking out of that walmart un-cuffed!

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