SEIU Official Reveals Plan To Destroy JP Morgan

[justonemore]

I notice a lot, A LOT of 'shorthand' here.
The banks, the unions, ajax hasn't yet said Fat cats, yet, but it's there in subtext.
The banks..... the dollar lost virtually none of it's value between 1813 and 1913. lost near about 95% of it's value between 1913 and today. The fed was created in 1913.
Unions... while I agree that often workers need protection from management, it is more often that management needs protection from workers these days.
Job exportation... well. don't get me started. There are now, and only ever have been three means of wealth creation, and they are???, oh, O.K. they are Mining, Manufacturing, and Agriculture. All else is wealth transfer.
How did we as a nation, imagine that policies and regulations and laws that stifle these activities would benefit us. We imagined this nonsense because social engineers sold us the notion, through the promotion of junk education, junk finance, junk science, junk art, a full-court press against reason.
The United States became not a nation of technical innovation, or wealth creation, or even artistic innovation. (art and industry are jealous sisters, don't forget)
Naah, we've become a 'service sector' and 'consumer' economy.
A heroin addict is a consumer economy.
There are many separate threads that form the ecological, economic , social, spiritual disaster that our nation is becoming. Here are two.
A toxic, fatuous, sense of entitlement among a middle class that is divorced utterly from the means of production, the means of wealth production. ( Ministers and beaureaucrats imagine themselves superior to farmers and miners, police imagine themselves superior to citizens, Kids who've been to college imagine themselves smart.)
Arising from that, a philosophy of nihilism, expressed materially, physically. How else can i say it, except that the god of commercial engineering is " mean time between failure"...What a hell of a lousy way to think. Follow the reasoning and , if you have hearts and minds and souls you'll be as disgusted as i am.
J.O.M.

[BuzzKill]

You've made a number of valid points and none I am willing to argue against. But lets take a closer look at this one:

Unions... while I agree that often workers need protection from management, it is more often that management needs protection from workers these days.

I think each needs protection from the narcissism and greed of the other - so - how can the people effected most by an imbalance of power either way best maintain an equilibrium that would benefit all?  Many people who want a reasonably strong union to protect them from being worked to death or starved often do not support what their union is doing politically or even in the negotiation room at times. How best to reform large unions to give the members more direct input into union policies?

[Froderik]

(beaureaucrats imagine themselves superior to farmers and miners, police imagine themselves superior to citizens, Kids who've been to college imagine themselves smart.)

 :nods:  :nods:  :nods:

[justonemore]

buzzkill; I feel it..... yet another of my diatribes Ravings? Harangues?
Outside of a sea change in thinking onthe part of management, and a sea change on the part of labor, I jes'dunno. I think part of the answer lies in the education in Business schools. John DeLorean writes about it quite convincingly. The disparity between pay of C.E.O.s, the inclusion of bonuses in 'legacy costs, insane hiring, promotion, firing and safety rules are all part of the problem. All sorts of madness prevail in the work place, and madness is not good business. It costs, it don't produce. Management does 'exploit'the worker, but it does so very inefficiently. Management so often exploits the worker, not the workers potential. Workers become cynical and in turn, exploit workplace rules so that "sexual harassment" becomes treated not  as a wrench in the gears, but rather as an effective tool of intimidation and revenge. We, whether as labor or management become de-humanized. ( i can't believe i just said de-humanized, and used it in a sentence, no less)  I believe that whether a bakery or a brewery, a farm or a factory, even a damn retail clothes store, people are best to pursue it as  a discipline. ( Not a religion!)
Too often management runs around banging a drum, waving a flag, without any clue beyond make money. People won't follow for long that way. People will follow if you are leading where they'd like to go. i believe that a principal factor in the decline of american production is illegal immigration, that undocs are used to leverage against the american worker, that safety, efficacy, profit, all suffer. Rather than listen to those people doing the dirty, demeaning, dangerous jobs,and finding ways to make them cleaner, safer, easier AND MORE PROFITABLE, hell, we'll just hire illegals, and take the short-term gain, cause although I'm C.E.O. today, i'll be gone tomorrow.  J.O.M.

[Froderik]

Rather than listen to those people doing the dirty, demeaning, dangerous jobs,and finding ways to make them cleaner, safer, easier AND MORE PROFITABLE, hell, we'll just hire illegals, and take the short-term gain, cause although I'm C.E.O. today, i'll be gone tomorrow. J.O.M.

 ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

[ajax13]

More bullshit.  Management needs protection from workers?  A sense of entitlement among the middle class?  The real wages of US workers have fallen steadily since the time of Nixon.  The percentage of wealth held by the tiny fraction at the top of the pyramid has expanded steadily to where the rich are richer than they were in the time of the robber barons of the Gilded Age.  The rich are getting everything and the middle class is being killed off.  Hard to have a sense of entitlement if you don't exist.  There is no fucking workplace, it moved to China.  You know, that communist country that owns the US debt and manufactures all the goods sold in the US.  Funny thing that, where the CIA's "school of the Americas" death squads had to kill all the Reds in Central America, but the government sells the ones in China all their securities.

[justonemore]

Ajax.... Let me guess, A) you've been to college. B) You are not a happy guy C) You are manually un-or semiskilled,and D) you've never been in management, or spoken to learned folks about,  or read much about economics or social systems. ( Long-timers in prison,many of them, are very knowledgeable about social systems and economics. Some have kind of a warped perspective, but they are knowledgeable) Maybe just start by reading Orwell and Solshenitsyn.
Please, I invite you to refute or criticize me with something other than "Bullshit", or a repetition of currently popular dogma. Numbers are convincing only if sound.
Thanks, J.O.M.

[justonemore]

Ajax.. Just one more thing.. School of the americas is run out of Ft.Benning, And is chartered nominally, at least, under A.I.D., under the treaty supervision of O.A.S., It's been a while, so maybe I'm wrong, maybe things have changed. Maybe Rolando Bosch really is a hero, just like Che'.
J.O.M.

[ajax13]

I read Orwell when I was 12.  You'd fit right into the Road to Wiggan Pier.  My Dad taught Animal Farm for 30 years.  I purchased a French language version of the Gulag Archipelago when I was 14. And it's Orlando Bosch, fuckhead.  You got that wrong, just like you got it wrong when you claimed Bush flew F-14s.  There were no numbers to refute.  You're a shut-in try-hard and you can't even get your basic facts right.

[BuzzKill]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZrqdZFFb5c&feature=related

[Froderik]

I read Orwell when I was 12.  You'd fit right into the Road to Wiggan Pier.  My Dad taught Animal Farm for 30 years.  I purchased a French language version of the Gulag Archipelago when I was 14. And it's Orlando Bosch, fuckhead.  You got that wrong, just like you got it wrong when you claimed Bush flew F-14s.  There were no numbers to refute.  You're a shut-in try-hard and you can't even get your basic facts right.

Stand back, everybody...it's the battle of the intellectuals!

[Froderik]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZrqdZFFb5c&feature=related

 :notworthy:

[ajax13]

I read Orwell when I was 12.  You'd fit right into the Road to Wiggan Pier.  My Dad taught Animal Farm for 30 years.  I purchased a French language version of the Gulag Archipelago when I was 14. And it's Orlando Bosch, fuckhead.  You got that wrong, just like you got it wrong when you claimed Bush flew F-14s.  There were no numbers to refute.  You're a shut-in try-hard and you can't even get your basic facts right.

Stand back, everybody...it's the battle of the intellectuals!

Yes Frod.  It dawned on me the last time I was washing calcium chloride off my skin from a bad cement job that I should really come down from my ivory tower and face the real world.

[justonemore]

To Ajax.. Touche' ya got me! ORLANDO bocsh was arrested and arraigned in D.C.,, and I was surprised to hear that. See,I went to school with his attractive daughter, and the few times my buddies and i were at his house ( hell yeah you know what I was after!) he was introduced as ROLANDO. we addressed him as ROLando,his daughter introduced him that way. He never corrected us, neither his daughter. i was surprised to learn of his arrest, and the circumstance, the crime he committed ( if crime it was). Now that you mention it, I don't now if that was a clever alias, or a family in-joke or what. I do know of "the night he shot the polish freighter" it was kind of a sorry attempt. thanks.
BTW. In English, calling people 'dickhead' or 'fuckwad' or profanity of that specie is considered rude, and grown-up people don't do that. We don't gratuitously offend. What I'm telling you , nicely, of course, and in a nurturing kind of way, is that while you may possess a sterling lineage, and while your intellect puts the rest of us in an ecstasy of awe, I still think, and i believe the evidence will support, that you are a 3rd stage syphilitic bastard, and dead wrong to boot. I do thank you for the critique (if critique it was) though.
I am sorry that your microcephaly prevents you from getting a decent job, still, there's no shame in being a concrete finisher. When i did a lot of concrete work, I just wore those cheap korean web-side boots, i got tired of buying a new pair of red-wings every three months. Hope that helps.
Yours in Blind Unrelenting Hatred.J.O.M.

[ajax13]

I don't have any feelings for you one way or another, and I'm not a concrete finisher.  You seem to be developmentally delayed, with the bizarre boasting and allusions to being some kind of spook/law enforcement/special forces person while here you are on a forum dedicated to the Troubled Teen Industry.  And again, you didn't have the slightest clue about the facts pertaining to Shrub.  How could you think that he flew an F-14, which was only ever in service with the US Navy and the Iranian armed forces, when Shrub was an Air National Guardsman, and served in a period before the F-14 was introduced into service?  You might have heard of Iran-Contra, one of the central factors of which was the inability of Iran to acquire spares for said F-14s from anywhere else in the world because USN were the only other force using the Tomcat.  Not very well informed for an international man of mystery.  You display the sophistication of a retail-clerk-turned-housewife with your whining about my language followed up by calling me a syphillitic bastard.  You're a very silly person.