Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Straight, Inc. and Derivatives
WInston Churchill on "Sobriety"
FaceKhan:
Aftermath Well the aftermath of Naziism was that they all became hunted men, Nazi's who were not needed for their technical knowledge were executed or imprisoned. Still, much like the aftermath of Straight Inc, those who were connected or useful were safe from justice, the former director of NASA was tried at Nuremburg and many others fled to South America. In regards to those who still cannot admit that what these cults do is wrong, well most of the Nazi's thought they were doing the right thing too, but their nooses did not seem to take notice. Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
Scott W:
Stranggling Teens Well,
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people can be. I went ahead and registered with the intention of posting a few links and responses to these idiots but I reallized it was pointless. I am just glad we are all here for thier kids if they indeed survive what their parents are putting thekm through.
Note: We are also here for the parents who figure it out too.
Antigen:
Re: Stranggling Teens Face, I'm not talking about the people who run these programs. As tragic as their personal stories may be, it's far overshadowed by what they will likely do to others if no one stops them. If that means prison, public humiliation or just countering their bullshit so that no one will buy into it any more, I don't have time to consider the consequences to them; they've got all that and more coming to them.
I'm talking about the rank and file proud parents and graduates and all thoe well intended people from NIDA all the way down through local law enforcement, education, CPS and community volunteers who assist in their recruiting and propaganda. For the most part, they're good and decent people just like the rank and file Nazi soldiers, teachers, mothers and fathers who bought into the madness for so long. As I understand it, most of them never fully believed in the existance of the death camps. They believed what their fearless and nobel[sic] leaders told them; that these were degenerate criminals undergoing rehabilitation.
In Germany today, Nazi propaganda is illegal and, as I understand it, they take enforcement very seriously! So what happened to all those good people after the war? How have they come to terms with what they'd done? How did they make peace with the neighbor who's daughter was raped and murdered by SS officers acting on an annonymous tip from them? Or did they.
Question is, what do we do with the Bill Carvey's of the world after the game is over?
Scott, the best use I can find for those recruiting forums is to use them as proof for people who can't take our word for it that TOUGHLOVE is just another hate-group. I can't stomach much of it either. But once in awahile, when I'm feeling pluckey, I like to troll around pretending to be a parent looking for help for a typically rebellious kid. Then I start asking very polite but difficult questions. I don't do this to sway the people dolling out all the hate. I do this to push their buttons and get them to show their asses for the benefit of those folks who are still forming an opinion of the whole thing.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse
Scott:
uh Hey Ginger,
You're right. I finally felt plucky enough to join in a few of the conversations. It has been a while since I have had the time to go fishing
Cheers and see ya soon
sullyceltic:
Re: Parents yes, elle, i believe that my father has been able to
accept what happened to him during the "straight experience". i live several states away from my
dad now and don't get to see him nearly as much as
i would like to, but through our phone conversations,
i know that he knows.
he is more and more aware now of the specific ways that
both he and my mom were duped, lied to, and pressured into becoming walking infomercials for "straight incorp".
thankfully, my dad has always made baseball and football the number one things in his life. because of that he can see things a little more clearly than your garden variety "straight-preacher", which my mom was for a long time.
my dad is a lot more understanding and smypathetic to
what we kids had to endure in there - and i am to him as well. the parents had no idea what we we're being fed, we had no idea what the parents we're being fed. that along with the "no talking bad about the program" and "no talking behind backs" rules being shoved at us constantly, it's a miracle that my dad and i have even talked about straight at all.
my dad knows. my mom doesn't. so where does that leave me? - right here, waiting for the 2001-2002 NBA season to get underway, and hoping that the Boston Celtics can turn it around, get into the playoffs and make some noise!!!!
it was hell in there. what i respect most is that my dad admits that that is true. if there were still open-meetings on
friday night, my mom would probably go.
love ya mom, love ya dad.
sully's email: sullyceltic@yahoo.com
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