Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Straight, Inc. and Derivatives
WInston Churchill on "Sobriety"
FaceKhan:
Re: Parents Well, I have this wonderful vision of a squad of liberators going from gulag to gulag, freeing the kids of their slavery and freeing the program operators of their mortal coil. Unfortunately it can't happen today.
I know that most holocaust survivors and their progeny are not too fond of Germans to this day, they don't buy German products, and generally not Ford cars either, because Henry Ford was a big Nazi wannabee. Still, at least the Germans can admit the mistakes made in the past. The Japanese still deny most of the disgusting things they did to the Chinese. There were even Nazi's that served as consulars to Japanese controlled China, who hid Chinese people so that they would not be murdered, while on the other side of the world, Japanese diplomats to Nazi controlled Europe did the same thing by granting visas to Jews and Gypsies.
Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
BostonBrave:
Re:Parents Well, it's not pleasant to read the messages of this thread. I have been trying to come to grips with my decision to put my son in Straight in 1987,and what was worse, to keep him there for twenty months.
As a young person I had often wondered how the German people could have followed Hitler,or how Castro was able to stay in power.Recent reflection on my own decisions in the late 80's have given me some insight.
When either an individual or a nation is faced with a choice between order and chaos, the pick will be order,almost every time.Germany in the 20's was faced with unbelievable inflation,where a person's life savings would no longer buy a pair of shoes. Social breakdown was endemic and the society and culture seemed about to collapse. Into the breach stepped a man who promised a return to prosperity, an end to strife and a return to greatness for the nation.The price? The people would have to stop thinking for themselves and surrender their wills to him.
The thousands of American parents who have turned their children over to harmful treatment programs give evidence that what happened in Germany when people suspended their own judgment in favor of "The Program" would probably happen here given a similar sense of desperation. It is a great tragedy whenever an indivdual forfeits his autonomy. I should have had the stones to get my boy out of harm's way. Never again. Never.
sullyceltic:
parents yeah, i appreciate what you have to say
bostonbrave. i only know my side of the
story. i'm just now beginning to understand
what was going on with my parents that
led them to decide to put me in straight.
i guess my "never again" statement would be
about appreciating my parents and their efforts.
no parent is pefect. no kid is perfect. i think that
my parents did pretty well raising us, despite
the numerous issues that existed between them.
and yes, i was mad for a while. but now i'm just
thankful that i have a decent life. whatever in the
past has occured, i don't arrive here - a happy 30
year old - with out it.
Antigen:
Please don't take it the wrong way We all got sucked into the Twilight Zone for awhile. No one makes a concious decision to quit thinking for themselves. We just concede one point at a time, sometimes, and never notice that we've quit making our own decisions.
Remember that, during all that time, we were busy beating down newcomers (or passively complicit) and surveiling and reporting on parents as well.
When I make the Nazi comparison, I do it with the understanding that the German people are as good, decent and kind as anyone.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse
FaceKhan:
Other examples of Mind Control Have any of you ever seen the movie called The Wave or read the book? It is about a highschool teacher who decides to run a class experiment to show how Naziism took hold in Germany. His experiment ends up being too successful, his new ideology takes over the entire school, until the few students who are not members are being persecuted.
When you replace a person's pride in their individuality with pride in being part of the group, you have them.
Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
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