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Offline Anonymous

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« on: November 04, 2003, 07:15:00 PM »
You know, hearing about these various BM facilities reminds me a whole hell of a lot of what mental hospitals used to be like in the Bad Old Days.

One of the things that led to their reform and led to the development of the modern psychology and psychiatry adults get was Nelly Bly going undercover in one of these places and writing an expose.

Where are all the investigative reporters with chutzpah?  What they really need is a youthful-looking investigative reporter and an older -looking reporter man and woman to pose as a "troubled teen" and his/her parents.

Okay, so you'd get sued.  What's a lawsuit versus  real-live Pullitzer material?
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2003, 10:00:00 PM »
I like to question everything, and I have to question the statement "you'd get sued." I'm taking the time to comment because I think that's a great idea...and I don't see exactly why such an investigative team would be sued. That type of 'undercover' ploy is used all the time..what would be illegal about it?  :???:
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2003, 10:29:00 PM »
This has been brought up with media persons, and the idea didn't fly. They seemed to have ethical problems with it. I tend to agree with the two of you - but keep in mind it would mean sending someone into what you know to be a very bad situation. And then, what proof could they really get? I have talked this over with students who tell me no way to hide a camera. It would be the reporters word aginst the program; and that is no different from a group of students against the program. So, you'd put someone at peril and not really accomplish much.
But the idea still appeals, dosen't it? Maybe instead of a reporter, we need a baby faced FBI agent.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2003, 12:00:00 AM »
Unethical to scam the scammer?
And unethical to subject the sexist or racist to "abusive" sensitivity training.

How else would it be proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that abuse is occuring- since teens are "lying manipulators" and ex-staff are "disgruntled" and ex-parents are "chattering pigs". My guess is that even if it were caught on tape, the defense would then become, "So, it works.. that's what it takes to save these kids".
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 03:27:00 AM »
As for hiding a camera, what they really need to find is a whistle blower staff member who is willing to sneak a camera or tape recorder in over a period of time. Think like Donnie Brasco kind of situation.

These programs hire within a close knit network of program people in the United States where this kind of treatment is recognized as criminal. In foreign programs they mostly just hire locals with no training and limited english skills.

Now doing this would violate their employee confidentiality agreements but those are not valid against law enforcement or for reporting criminal activity.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 05:19:00 AM »
Didn't Inside Edition send in a producer posing as a parent.  How did that turn out?
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 11:33:00 AM »
It seems not to have been a problemn, but the talk here is sending in someone as a Student - very different; in my opinion, b/c you would be putting them at risk for very little actual benifit. Unless, maybe, they happen to be law inforcment.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2003, 02:34:00 PM »
You could send a reporter in as a student and have them have an innocuous safeword set up with the "parent" reporters.

You couldn't get a camera in, but an undercover reporter would be more credible than a real "troubled teen" in the eyes of most people.

The reporter wouldn't be at serious risk if he/she had been given protection against brainwashing.  The ideal thing undercover reporter would be a babyfaced   ex-military graduate of SERE school---the next best thing would be a babyfaced reporter who had undergone preparation in SERE techniques with a qualified psychologist with extensive cult exit counseling experience.

Basically, you can insulate someone against brainwashing by telling them, in advance, what's going to happen and what they're going to be told or brainwashed with, and presenting the counter-arguments to the brainwashing to them.

Nelly Bly took substantial risk for her story.

We need a hero with that much chutzpah.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2003, 03:52:00 PM »
I'll do it. Make me an offer. :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2003, 07:00:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-06 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

The ideal thing undercover reporter would be a babyfaced ex-military graduate of SERE school---the next best thing would be a babyfaced reporter who had undergone preparation in SERE techniques with a qualified psychologist with extensive cult exit counseling experience.


Oh, that might work! What if an older person w/ similar training were to go in as staff? Maybe an escort who's had a temporary lapse of insanity?
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