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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 12:00:43 PM »
Watch the Documentary Human Resources it explains it all.
Here it is on youtube:http://http://youtu.be/9R85eo2rA70
You can also find it on torrent sights.
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Philip Zimbardo
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2011, 12:42:07 PM »
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
Elan felt more like the Stanford prison experiment, and since everyone involved with Elan was with the movement, they knew Philip Zimbardo, and he was involved with Erhard and the Hunger Project, and so on and so on. They were experimenting on us, but is there a way to prove it?
Do you know for a fact that everyone or even anyone involved with Elan knew Philip Zimbardo? I'm sure some people know of him, but that's hardly the same thing.

Moreover, how was Philip Zimbardo involved with Werner Erhard or the Hunger Project? Your link shows that Erhard quoted a question of his, probably out of context given that it's being used in an advertisement for snake oil, but that's about it.

If I'm missing something, I sure would appreciate some clarification.
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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2011, 03:48:20 PM »
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
http://www.ibicuy.com/

Recognize this ?

Didn't the Nazis go to Argentina?
Sure. They also hid out in a number of other South American countries as well. And they also came to the United States: Operation Paperclip.

With regard to Ibicuy, see also:


Fwiw, CEDU also has a coupla South American offshoots. One is in Argentina.
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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2011, 09:36:39 PM »
hi all I trust everyone is well and feeling good.

Wow two distinct topics ....I heard about the rumour of elan
's potiental buyer , I must have been asleep when this place in Argentina was posted back in 2007. Mind boggling , I have a friend in South America who I  believe would be interested i n checking out this Jose Cabberra and the progam down there . A former resident . Who eee dam , I am just now reading about this. Damn this has also been posted on Reddits troubled teens on their facebook site / page . This story was started on an I luv Elan site and for some reason as to how I understand ,the thoughts of buying the Poland Spring property were posted in Espanol. I know a little construction Espanol , though I don't luv elan and would not in this or my lifetime go to a site like that . I don't love elan sorry not to offend those that do ,I don't .   Okay its out there and we will have to be vigilant and see what happens to the elan property in Polan Springs Maine. (the story about an Argentinian elanbeing interested in purchasing the Poland Spring property ,this has surfaced in the past couple of days that I am aware )

now the other  topic I see here is also very interesting and it is the govenments (possible involvement in the studying of these programs .I tried earlier to post my thoughts about the est ,and human potential movement and no I did not know Phil Zambardo (its not relevent that I didn't ) ,though I tried to post my thoughts and my post disappeared .....imagine that lol... I will create a word doc and re write . I will say this if the dots are there please connect them. I do have an open mind . to me elan was just horrible abuse.  I will be back in a bit.

Peace

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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2011, 10:53:30 PM »
I felt this article might be of relevance to this  conversation, The History of ABCT. They spoke about how the 1970's was a controversial time for behavioral therapy techniques; (excerpt from article) "The 1970s was perhaps the most "explosive" (see Stuart, 1974) and controversial decade for the field of behavior therapy, as it suffered from an overall negative public image and received numerous attacks from the press regarding behavior modification and its possible unethical uses."
 
http://www.abct.org/Home/?m=mAbout&fa=AboutABCT

History of ABCT

The organization was originally founded in 1966 under the name Association for Advancement of Behavioral Therapies (AABT; Franks, 1997) by 10 behaviorists who were dissatisfied with the prevailing Freudian/psychoanalytic model (founding members: John Paul Brady, Joseph Cautela, Edward Dengrove, Cyril Franks, Martin Gittelman, Leonard Krasner, Arnold Lazarus, Andrew Salter, Dorothy Susskind, and Joseph Wolpe). Although AABT/ABCT was not established until 1966, its history begins in the early 1900s with the birth of the behaviorist movement, which was brought about by Pavlov, Watson, Skinner, Thorndike, Hull, Mowrer, and others-scientists who, concerned primarily with observable behavior, were beginning to experiment with conditioning and learning theory. By the 1950s, two entities-Hans Eysenck's research group (which included one of AABT's founders Cyril Franks) at the University of London Institute of Psychiatry, and Joseph Wolpe's research group (which included another of AABT's founders, Arnold Lazarus) in South Africa-were conducting important studies that would establish behavior therapy as a science based on principles of learning. In complete opposition to the psychoanalytic model, "The seminal significance of behavior therapy was the commitment to apply the principles and procedures of experimental psychology to clinical problems, to rigorously evaluate the effects of therapy, and to ensure that clinical practice was guided by such objective evaluation" (Wilson, 1997).

The first president of the association was Cyril Franks, who also founded the organization's flagship journal Behavior Therapy and was the first editor of the AABT Newsletter. The first annual meeting of the association took place in 1967, in Washington, DC, concurrent with the American Psychological Association's meeting.

An article in the November 1967 issue of the Newsletter, entitled "Behavior Therapy and Not Behavior Therapies" (Wilson & Evans, 1967), influenced the association's first name change from Association for Advancement of Behavioral Therapies to Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy because, as the authors argued, "the various techniques of behavior therapy all derive from learning theory and should not be misinterpreted as different kinds of behavior therapy…" (quoted in Franks, 1987). This issue remains a debate in the field and within the organization, particularly with the emergence of the term "cognitive behavioral therapies," which resulted in yet another name change in 2005 to the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies.

AABT/ABCT has been at the forefront of the professional, legal, social, and ethical controversies and dissemination efforts that have accompanied the field's evolution. "The 1970s was perhaps the most "explosive" (see Stuart, 1974) and controversial decade for the field of behavior therapy, as it suffered from an overall negative public image and received numerous attacks from the press regarding behavior modification and its possible unethical uses." In Gerald Davison's (AABT's 8th president) public "Statement on Behavior Modification from the AABT," he asserted that "it is a serious mistake…to equate behavior therapy with the use of electric shocks applied to the extremities…" and "a major contribution of behavior therapy has been a profound commitment to full description of procedures and careful evaluation of their effects" (Davison & Stuart, 1974, p. 3). From this point, AABT became instrumental in enacting legislative guidelines that protected human research subjects, and they also became active in efforts to educate the public.

The training of mental health professionals has also been a significant priority for the association. Along with its annual meeting, AABT created an "ad hoc review mechanism" in the 70's through the 80's whereby a state could receive a review of a behavior therapy program. This led to the yearly publication of a widely used resource, "The Directory of Training Programs." With growing concerns over quality control and standardization of practice, the certification of behavior therapists also became an issue in the 1970s.

An ongoing debate within the association concerns what many consider to be a movement away from basic behavioral science as the field has attempted to advance and, in doing so, integrate more and more "new" therapies/specializations, particularly the addition of cognitive theory and its variety of techniques. John Forsyth, in his special issue of Behavior Therapy (Forsyth & Hawkins, 1997) entitled "Thirty Years of Behavior Therapy: Promises Kept, Promises Unfulfilled," summarized this opposition as follows: "(a) cognition is not behavior, (b) behavior principles and theory cannot account for events occurring within the skin, and most important, (c) we therefore need a unique conceptual system to account for how thinking, feeling, an other private events relate to overt human action." (Forsyth, 1997, p. 621). The field's desire to maintain its scientific foundations and yet continue to advance and grow was reflected in its most recent discussion about adding the word "cognitive" to the name of the association (see the Oct. 2003 special issue [Antony, 2003] in the Behavior Therapist: "Is It Time for AABT to Change Its Name?")

Many notable scholars have served as president of the association, including Joseph Wolpe, Arnold Lazarus, Nathan Azrin, and David Barlow. The current executive director of the ABCT is Mary Jane Eimer, CAE. For a wealth of historical specifics (governing bodies, lists of editors, past presidents, award winners, SIGs, and conventions from the past 40 years) see ABCT's 40th anniversary issue of the Behavior Therapist (Albano, 2006).
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Re: The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2011, 11:07:05 PM »
Can't seem to pull up this article/statement on google or even on the actual site it is posted in the references. http://www.abct.org/Home/?m=mAbout&fa=AboutABCT
Wanted to read what Dr.Davidson had to say.
Davison , G., & Stuart, R. (1974). Statement on behavior modification from the Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy. AABT Newsletter, 1(2), 2-3.
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