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Offline seamus

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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2011, 01:34:46 PM »
a family member ,viet nam vet,  di di means to go,and i think mow,is now.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2011, 02:32:48 PM »
Seamus: It wasn't easy to split CEDU-RS. It was isolated in the mountains.  There was maybe 1-2 public telephones in nearest one horse town. The minute you were gone (keep in mind you lived in a dormitory with upper school narcs and every part of your day was structured and public) they called the Fuzz. (And they knew the only phone options. So those were staked. Also, you couldn't hike on open road) The back way down the mountain (no road, no trails, steep) was impenetrable. We did have escapees who had horrific experiences.

I split twice, the second time successful.  The first time was all mistakes. The second I went through woods (but not down back slope of mountain), did not go on open road, did not use public telephones.  It was a smart escape but also lucky and I had to live down low for a week before I finally made it to home town.

In any event, it wasn't easy. Also, others who did and got caught then had to do a full time which sucked.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2011, 03:05:01 PM »
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2011, 04:25:29 PM »
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di di, does mean "go", mow is "now". Watch the "Deer Hunter" with Robert DeNiro and Christopher Walken in that hooch, remember the Vietnamese soldier smacking Robert in the face saying, "Mow!!!!! Mow!!!!" everytime he wanted him to hurry up and pull the trigger. Great freaking movie.

It's quite a bizarre movie.  Three all-American boys end up in a scary country full of wicked asians who throw grenades into shelters full of civilians, prostitute themselves in front of their children, and play Russian roulette with captured soldiers.  Not much in common with the reality of a war in which hundreds of thousands of US personnel set up shop in a medieval society trying to emerge from colonialism.  While anything is possible, with 3 million dead Vietnamese, including 60 000 killed in the Phoenix Program, as opposed to  50 000 US personnel killed in the whole war, a Vietnamese being subjected to Russian Roulette by his CIA captors was much more likely than the snuff porn depicted in the Deer Hunter.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2011, 07:28:09 PM »
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2011, 07:42:26 PM »
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di di, does mean "go", mow is "now". Watch the "Deer Hunter" with Robert DeNiro and Christopher Walken in that hooch, remember the Vietnamese soldier smacking Robert in the face saying, "Mow!!!!! Mow!!!!" everytime he wanted him to hurry up and pull the trigger. Great freaking movie.

It's quite a bizarre movie.  Three all-American boys end up in a scary country full of wicked asians who throw grenades into shelters full of civilians, prostitute themselves in front of their children, and play Russian roulette with captured soldiers.  Not much in common with the reality of a war in which hundreds of thousands of US personnel set up shop in a medieval society trying to emerge from colonialism.  While anything is possible, with 3 million dead Vietnamese, including 60 000 killed in the Phoenix Program, as opposed to  50 000 US personnel killed in the whole war, a Vietnamese being subjected to Russian Roulette by his CIA captors was much more likely than the snuff porn depicted in the Deer Hunter.

Ah Em, I was old enough to be there while it was happening. Thanks for the history lesson. I don't believe any of the actors were portraying all-American boys. The part of Pennsylvania they lived was a mining region most of the people were Slavic immigrants. Just remember the wedding.
Anyway back to the topic....

It was just a movie developed for entertainment purposes, Heretik, if it had any truth to it they would have released it as a documentary.



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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2011, 10:07:42 PM »
Yes, anyway...Vietnam...hmm.  Heavy.

I am still realizin stuff about the game.  How it forced you into a state of absolute conscious honesty, by reflecting your inner most identity back at you.  In the beginning Synanon was an amazing thing, succeeding where not many had before...because it forced people to see who they were in a good way, but by the time it was distilled into the programs we were in, and after a while in Synanon itself, it had devolved into a forum for verbal abuse.  Things that start out good are always co-opted by what I'll refer to as evil for lack of a better word.  Ideals are good but cannot be absolute. One must have a gnostic sense.  Knowledge from within, tempered by knowledge of the sensual world...

right ?
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2011, 11:00:23 PM »
Although I can still only guess (doesn’t look like there will ever be any hard evidence to prove this topic imo) I thought I’d add this to support my previous guess that it was named after Game Theory and the prisoners dilemma, and maybe related to John von Neumann’s influence coming  from the Macy Conferences.

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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2011, 11:06:17 PM »
patience indeed...
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2011, 10:26:17 AM »
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the name ‘the game’ was inspired by Game Theory and it’s classically referred to game The Prisoner’s Dilemma.
I'm in full agreement with you on the first half of that sentence, but a bit more cautionary 'bout the second. There were also other similarly "misanthropic" games in the arsenal of game theory popular at the time... E.g., John Nash's "Fuck You Buddy" (1950), later renamed as "So Long Sucker," probably to get past word censors for publication purposes.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2011, 05:31:30 PM »
O. Thanks Awake.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2011, 10:55:42 AM »
An interesting aside- I don't know if any of you have read Philip K. Dick, but one of his novels (VALIS, I believe, or one in that trilogy) has a character who jumps out a window after getting out of SYNANON. (The trilogy was written a while back...you do the math, if so inclined.)

Ironic that SYNANON was inspired by people who were dosing on acid...the use of LSD was somewhat frowned upon by Straight Inc. if I recall correctly..

I live in a sci-fi novel, I wonder how it will end..
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2011, 10:58:45 AM »
i ts ok man I live in a comic book, called watch seamus fuck up.......I aint sweatin the ending, it s the next page gets me worried.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2011, 06:05:53 PM »
I know everyone's different so I can only speak for myself, but I am absolutely blown away by the many  ways this social experiment has effected my life.  In $tr8, it was all "the Game" and we were never debriefed by anyone who could tell us how to temper our experience.  We were left to figure it out for ourselves...the hard way.

I'm in complete wonder at the ignorance of my elders.
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Re: Where did "the game" come from ?
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2011, 11:39:40 AM »
Yeah, and having now red most all the links an stuff, I realize it's a bit of a simplification to just call it AA>Dederiech>LSD>Synanon>$tr8.  Seems like Synanon was really a big deal though, I think Chuck D was a synthesizing agent.  God of the Game.  

One a those links said Dederiech was influenced by Skinner.  I don't know much about Skinner...I heard he kept his daughter in a box.
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