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Froderik:
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dragonfly:

Whooter:

--- Quote from: "dragonfly" ---Dear Whooter,

Please keep in mind I am responding to your words and not you personally, I do not wish to insult anyone here.

You spoke about the notion that since some programs involve extracirricular activities, these programs are not engaged in brainwashing.

Firstly, I would be happy to speak to you directly if at any point you'd like to.

Secondly,  it's rather sickening for many of us to read any sort of defense of these programs.  When someone inflicts pain with the intention of causing "growth" it is sort of like playing God.  

Thirdly,  I recently watched the PBS series on the Jonestown Massacre.

Those folks were hysterical with joy the evening before Jim Jones began shooting the journalists and then ordered everyone to commit suicide.

These people of all ages were outwardly happy.

Jim ordered Parents to kill their children first.

Whooter, this is Documented.

You can watch it yourself, the cameras were rolling, you can hear the children crying from the cyanide pain in their stomachs.

My point is that this comunity was taking care of the elderly, raising happy kids, growing food, singing, playing games etc.

The Journalists were almost dupped.

You may have not been brainwashed, I hope for your sake that is true.

For those of us that struggle with the challenge of moving on,  your remarks could be interpreted as insensitive.
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I am sorry that I appear insensitive.   You are not the first one to point out that I was insensitive with my posts and communicating my thoughts.   The presence of sports was only one aspect that would hamper an environment conducive to Brainwashing.  If you add in communication with the outside world via phone calls and family vists,  intense academics and preparation for the PSATS or SATs, the coming and going of new hires of staff,  weekly therapy sessions with an independent therapist who communicates with the childs therapist at home etc. makes it very unlikely that the child could undergo brainwashing.




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Ursus:

--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The presence of sports was only one aspect that would hamper an environment conducive to Brainwashing.  If you add in communication with the outside world via phone calls and family vists,  intense academics and preparation for the PSATS or SATs, the coming and going of new hires of staff,  weekly therapy sessions with an independent therapist who communicates with the childs therapist at home etc. makes it very unlikely that the child could undergo brainwashing.
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Pbbbffftttt. Please. Sports is just another means of indoctrination for the program; it's all part of the therapeutic milieu. Just 'cuz you play another team once a week or so ... does not in any significant way cut into that. It's not like you are gonna have any meaningful amount of time for socializing with them, eh? Besides, they're the other team. You're trying to beat them, right?

In fact, sports is a particularly important tool of indoctrination at Hyde. Your team is yet another encounter group which can eviscerate you publically on a moments notice for whatever whim may be.

Are you really putting out 125% effort every day? Do you play as a team member (concern for others), or are you trying to be a star, at the expense of others (excessive self interest)? What do you do for practice on your own time (commitment)? Are you keeping your weight within reasonable limits? Are you trying to carve out some slack time by complaining about minor injuries (integrity)? Did you pick the appropriate sport to challenge yourself where you need to be challenged, as opposed to what you'd like to play? Do you have a good attitude, or a BAD ATTITUDE?

As to all that other stuff you listed, Whooter, depending on the institution, some of it occurs right at the program. Not all that much occurs "outside," in the real world.

One has to keep in mind that, while you're in a program, that particular program is your psychological home base. It becomes the seat of your self concept, your means of defining your self. At least it does for enough kids so that the appearance of such is the status quo. Any excursions out, be they actual or just via phone calls, are always experienced in that context. You don't necessarily need physical walls when you can be convinced to erect them within your own mind.

dragonfly:

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