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Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The presence of sports was only one aspect that would hamper an environment conducive to Brainwashing. If you add in communication with the outside world via phone calls and family vists, intense academics and preparation for the PSATS or SATs, the coming and going of new hires of staff, weekly therapy sessions with an independent therapist who communicates with the childs therapist at home etc. makes it very unlikely that the child could undergo brainwashing.
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Pbbbffftttt. Please. Sports is just another means of indoctrination for the program; it's all part of the therapeutic milieu. Just 'cuz you play another team once a week or so ... does not in any significant way cut into that. It's not like you are gonna have any meaningful amount of time for socializing with them, eh? Besides, they're the other team. You're trying to beat them, right?
In fact, sports is a particularly important tool of indoctrination at Hyde. Your team is yet another encounter group which can eviscerate you publically on a moments notice for whatever whim may be.
Are you really putting out 125% effort every day? Do you play as a team member (concern for others), or are you trying to be a star, at the expense of others (excessive self interest)? What do you do for practice on your own time (commitment)? Are you keeping your weight within reasonable limits? Are you trying to carve out some slack time by complaining about minor injuries (integrity)? Did you pick the appropriate sport to challenge yourself where you need to be challenged, as opposed to what you'd like to play? Do you have a good attitude, or a BAD ATTITUDE?
As to all that other stuff you listed, Whooter, depending on the institution, some of it occurs right at the program. Not all that much occurs "outside," in the real world.
One has to keep in mind that, while you're in a program, that particular program is your psychological home base. It becomes the seat of your self concept, your means of defining your self. At least it does for enough kids so that the appearance of such is the status quo. Any excursions out, be they actual or just via phone calls, are always experienced in that context. You don't necessarily need physical walls when you can be convinced to erect them within your own mind.
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I am not insinuating that the presence of sports negates the possibility of the presence of brain washing. It is but one facet of many that points towards the improbability that thought reform could thrive in a program. Kids who are participating in team sports, preparing for SATs, seeing an independent counselor, traveling to visit colleges, going to dances or dates into town, white water rafting etc. If you look at all of these events it pretty much eliminates any chance of creating an environment conducive to supporting the necessary elements needed for brainwashing. It may create a nauseating overzealous team spirit but not much more.
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heretik:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The presence of sports was only one aspect that would hamper an environment conducive to Brainwashing. If you add in communication with the outside world via phone calls and family vists, intense academics and preparation for the PSATS or SATs, the coming and going of new hires of staff, weekly therapy sessions with an independent therapist who communicates with the childs therapist at home etc. makes it very unlikely that the child could undergo brainwashing.
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Pbbbffftttt. Please. Sports is just another means of indoctrination for the program; it's all part of the therapeutic milieu. Just 'cuz you play another team once a week or so ... does not in any significant way cut into that. It's not like you are gonna have any meaningful amount of time for socializing with them, eh? Besides, they're the other team. You're trying to beat them, right?
In fact, sports is a particularly important tool of indoctrination at Hyde. Your team is yet another encounter group which can eviscerate you publically on a moments notice for whatever whim may be.
Are you really putting out 125% effort every day? Do you play as a team member (concern for others), or are you trying to be a star, at the expense of others (excessive self interest)? What do you do for practice on your own time (commitment)? Are you keeping your weight within reasonable limits? Are you trying to carve out some slack time by complaining about minor injuries (integrity)? Did you pick the appropriate sport to challenge yourself where you need to be challenged, as opposed to what you'd like to play? Do you have a good attitude, or a BAD ATTITUDE?
As to all that other stuff you listed, Whooter, depending on the institution, some of it occurs right at the program. Not all that much occurs "outside," in the real world.
One has to keep in mind that, while you're in a program, that particular program is your psychological home base. It becomes the seat of your self concept, your means of defining your self. At least it does for enough kids so that the appearance of such is the status quo. Any excursions out, be they actual or just via phone calls, are always experienced in that context. You don't necessarily need physical walls when you can be convinced to erect them within your own mind.
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I am not insinuating that the presence of sports negates the possibility of the presence of brain washing. It is but one facet of many that points towards the improbability that thought reform could thrive in a program. Kids who are participating in team sports, preparing for SATs, seeing an independent counselor, traveling to visit colleges, going to dances or dates into town, white water rafting etc. If you look at all of these events it pretty much eliminates any chance of creating an environment conducive to supporting the necessary elements needed for brainwashing. It may create a nauseating overzealous team spirit but not much more.
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Ok, I understand you are posting this just to be insolent or ornery. I can not see any other reason because first you are not qualified to make this statement and you have not done any study or investigation to support your comments. So, we have once again you just spouting off a backyard barbecue conversation you had maybe last Saturday.
In none of your posts to date have I read where you have given a intelligent articulate opinion on the effects of thought reform/brainwashing, the conditions and environments thought reform/brainwashing can incubate and prosper in. How brainwashing effects certain children as opposed to others and how brainwashing is systemic within programs. This whole conversation can go on. But your not looking for that, you just want to make short and sweet comments to inspire someone to play along with you.
If you had any idea how a program operates, well......you would not be making 99% of the comments you make.
Whooter, the children.
addendum: to my comment above. Ursus, said it correctly below (in his post) we are talking about "thought reform" within these programs.
Whooter:
The isolation from outside ideas, the social isolation from people who are not indoctrinated just isn’t there in many of todays programs, Heretik. Successful brainwashing requires full control over and uninterrupted attention of the subject which is to be brainwashed. If the children are off playing sports with other kids outside the program, calling home to family, going into town for date night and attending dances, preparing to take SATs, attending school and seeing independent licensed ocunselors then the foundation for thought control just isn’t there.
There are many other facets to brainwashing like sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation etc. but isolating the victim is primary in being successful and these kids are not isolated. Do a little reading up on the subject and then compare the requirements to today's programs and you will see what I am saying. I can point you to some reading if you are interested.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The presence of sports was only one aspect that would hamper an environment conducive to Brainwashing. If you add in communication with the outside world via phone calls and family vists, intense academics and preparation for the PSATS or SATs, the coming and going of new hires of staff, weekly therapy sessions with an independent therapist who communicates with the childs therapist at home etc. makes it very unlikely that the child could undergo brainwashing.
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Pbbbffftttt. Please. Sports is just another means of indoctrination for the program; it's all part of the therapeutic milieu. Just 'cuz you play another team once a week or so ... does not in any significant way cut into that. It's not like you are gonna have any meaningful amount of time for socializing with them, eh? Besides, they're the other team. You're trying to beat them, right?
In fact, sports is a particularly important tool of indoctrination at Hyde. Your team is yet another encounter group which can eviscerate you publically on a moments notice for whatever whim may be.
Are you really putting out 125% effort every day? Do you play as a team member (concern for others), or are you trying to be a star, at the expense of others (excessive self interest)? What do you do for practice on your own time (commitment)? Are you keeping your weight within reasonable limits? Are you trying to carve out some slack time by complaining about minor injuries (integrity)? Did you pick the appropriate sport to challenge yourself where you need to be challenged, as opposed to what you'd like to play? Do you have a good attitude, or a BAD ATTITUDE?
As to all that other stuff you listed, Whooter, depending on the institution, some of it occurs right at the program. Not all that much occurs "outside," in the real world.
One has to keep in mind that, while you're in a program, that particular program is your psychological home base. It becomes the seat of your self concept, your means of defining your self. At least it does for enough kids so that the appearance of such is the status quo. Any excursions out, be they actual or just via phone calls, are always experienced in that context. You don't necessarily need physical walls when you can be convinced to erect them within your own mind.
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I am not insinuating that the presence of sports negates the possibility of the presence of brain washing. It is but one facet of many that points towards the improbability that thought reform could thrive in a program. Kids who are participating in team sports, preparing for SATs, seeing an independent counselor, traveling to visit colleges, going to dances or dates into town, white water rafting etc. If you look at all of these events it pretty much eliminates any chance of creating an environment conducive to supporting the necessary elements needed for brainwashing. It may create a nauseating overzealous team spirit but not much more.
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What exactly do you mean by "...but one facet of many that points towards the improbability that thought reform could thrive in a program?"
These programs are completely BASED on thought reform. Why else do you think they even exist? Otherwise they wouldn't be programs, they'd be "boarding schools," and you wouldn't be hearing complaints of "cultiness," coercion, brainwashing, etc. Of course, this doesn't even begin to touch on the egregious physical abuses happening above and beyond that from time to time...
When this country started experimenting with the use of psychological coercion as a means of modifying kids' behavior back in the 1950s and 60s, they thought it was quite a progressive alternative to the physical brutality that was then the norm. It seemed like a kinder, gentler, more humane way to go about getting juvenile delinquents in line.
And they haven't stopped since. In fact, they've broadened the target population. Now, it's no longer just kids stuck in juvie or psych wards (where kids were sometimes placed when juvie was considered too rough). Any kind of so-called "maladjustment," minor drug use or the suspicion thereof, defiance and even mere unruly typical teenage behavior is, given sufficiently maleable or intolerant parents, quite enough to get a kid sent away.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The isolation from outside ideas, the social isolation from people who are not indoctrinated just isn’t there in many of todays programs, Heretik. Successful brainwashing requires full control over and uninterrupted attention of the subject which is to be brainwashed. If the children are off playing sports with other kids outside the program, calling home to family, going into town for date night and attending dances, preparing to take SATs, attending school and seeing independent licensed ocunselors then the foundation for thought control just isn’t there.
There are many other facets to brainwashing like sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation etc. but isolating the victim is primary in being successful and these kids are not isolated. Do a little reading up on the subject and then compare the requirements to today's programs and you will see what I am saying. I can point you to some reading if you are interested.
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LOLOLOLLLL. I notice you switched to the more inflammatory term "brainwashing" for this part.
You don't need "full control over and uninterrupted attention of the subject" in order to effect thought reform. Ya don't even need to do a complete job! You just need to do enough of a job to effect enough of the group, in order to modify the status quo. The "positive peer culture," part and parcel of that thought reform, takes care of the rest.
It's far more sophisticated these days, not at all like it's depicted in The Manchurian Candidate, which is something a professional propagandist like yourself already knows all too well, Whooter!
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