Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
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Whooter:
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This is just another classical asinine statement that just jumps from your brain to your fingers. Yeah every parent is just doing this Whooter.
OK, lets say the parents do try to investigate the qualifications of employees as you say. One would assume the said program Directors are fully aware of their staff qualifications and/or lack of. That being said, Whooter do you really think that the Director of said program is going to allow this information to be made readily available especially staff that barely made it through H.S.
Shit, the programs can't even find Directors with the proper schooling and we all know know that information was not made available until a program closing "outed" the info, (Bitz, in case you were wondering).
Whooter, all your foolishness is so stupid really. You could give a rats ass about children.
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Many of the programs have the names and education right on their website. We need to be aware that not all the sites are kept up to date. But you should be able to get started here:
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Whooter:
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It has gotten much better since then, Seamus. Most of the wilderness programs have licensed personnel which are with the kids and are backed up with Board certified counselors. I am with you and I also wish they had more requirements around getting these people better trained as first responders or at least getting more trained people into the field.`
The wilderness programs are a hell of a lot safer than they were 10, 20 30 years ago and a lot more effective.
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How would measure effectiveness?
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I would measure it by assessing the child upon arrival, again at discharge and then again 6 months or a year out. With a large enough population you could tell how successful the program has been.
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Gonzotherapy:
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The wilderness programs are a hell of a lot safer than they were 10, 20 30 years ago and a lot more effective.
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How would measure effectiveness?
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I would measure it by assessing the child upon arrival, again at discharge and then again 6 months or a year out. With a large enough population you could tell how successful the program has been.
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Don't you think that it would be more effective to assess them 3 or 4 years down the road. These programs are supposed to be life changing. A year out doesn't really show anything, I mean at 100 grand a person, don't you think there should be lifelong change and not just a years worth?
Whooter:
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Don't you think that it would be more effective to assess them 3 or 4 years down the road. These programs are supposed to be life changing. A year out doesn't really show anything, I mean at 100 grand a person, don't you think there should be lifelong change and not just a years worth?
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I think that is a really good question. The program should get the child back on track and then after graduation they should be heading down a healthy path for a reasonable period of time. But for how long?
After the child graduates he will be outside the influences of the 24/7 care. He can make choices on what friends to hang around with, where he lives, family influences, what he reads, who he listens too, what road models he chooses and the influences of the program will fade and be replaced by the influences of the environment the child chooses.
I think parents expectations may be until the child reaches adult age, is more mature and can better grasp the consequences of his/her actions.
We could think of it like taking antibiotics for an ear infection. The doctor can get you all better again and educate you on the causes and then send you back into the world.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---This is just another classical asinine statement that just jumps from your brain to your fingers. Yeah every parent is just doing this Whooter.
OK, lets say the parents do try to investigate the qualifications of employees as you say. One would assume the said program Directors are fully aware of their staff qualifications and/or lack of. That being said, Whooter do you really think that the Director of said program is going to allow this information to be made readily available especially staff that barely made it through H.S.
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Of course they would, Heretik. The information is available on the programs’ web site most of the time. They post the names and backgrounds of their staff. I am sure there are jobs for people who have their High school diploma. I wouldn’t try to discredit them for that, practically every business has a need for the lower paid/qualified people.
--- Quote ---Shit, the programs can't even find Directors with the proper schooling and we all know know that information was not made available until a program closing "outed" the info, (Bitz, in case you were wondering).
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I am not sure what you mean? Sharon Bitz’s education was available for people to view. Where did you get this idea?
I do admit that it is difficult to find qualified people to relocate to these rural areas, but I don’t see them as under qualified.
--- Quote ---Whooter, all your foolishness is so stupid really. You could give a rats ass about children.
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Well, the way I see it you are the one who is selfish and couldn’t care about the kids. You are willing to deny kids treatment because you happen to think all programs are the same. You are worse than the guy who thinks all programs are great because he had a good experience. You shouldn’t look at the world as black and white. There are many shades of gray, Heretik, try to open your mind a little and step back and give the kids credit who worked hard to turn their lives around instead of crapping on them.
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