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Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Most of the wilderness programs have licensed personnel which are with the kids and are backed up with Board certified counselors.
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That's an awfully big claim to make without citation. You'll have to provide some evidence for this, Whooter. I have never, ever seen a single "Board Certified Counselor" and here you're claiming most wilderness programs have them backing up "licensed personnel"? I call bullshit.
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From my readings I was under the impression all Wilderness programs today hired licensed professionals.
Here are the people from SUWS as an example:
Link
SUWS
Leah is a Certified Counselor with the National Board of Certified Counselors, has a Masters of Science Degree in Community Counseling,
Jesse Quam is the Clinical Director for SUWS of the Carolinas. Before earning his Masters of Clinical Social Work from Boston College (May, 2005), Jesse worked for Aspen Achievement Academy,
Clinical Team
4 LPC’s
2 LCSW’s
1 Phd
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Dysfunction Junction:
First this...
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Most of the wilderness programs have licensed personnel which are with the kids and are backed up with Board certified counselors.
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Presented as fact that at least 50% plus one wilderness programs fit this bill.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---From my readings I was under the impression all Wilderness programs today hired licensed professionals.
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Now presented as Whooter's impression based on one counselor from one program having a certification.
I didn't see anywhere even in the sole example you provided that any counselor was actually licensed to practice either.
So, of all wilderness programs in the US today, Whooter has shown that one has one certified counselor, but has failed in a miserable way to prove that the majority of wilderness programs have certified counselors and has not shown any counselors of any wilderness programs to be licensed to practice therapy.
You have to parse Whooter's statements carefully because what he presents as "facts" are actually just his uninformed opinions with no facts at all.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---From my readings I was under the impression...
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Don't you read Fornits, Whooter? We have posted dozens of examples of wilderness programs hiring uneducated, unlicensed, uncertified "counselors." This is usually posted in conjunction with an article describing how a kid in their care was maimed or killed by these very same unqualified people. Let's knock off the lying, Whooter. You know as well as the rest of us do that your premise is completely false. You are now in retreat mode to distance yourself from your ridiculous and false assertion.
Dysfunction Junction:
--- Quote from: "seamus" ---UMMMM.....Lemme see 1.cause they work cheap
2. cause they'll buy in,drink the cool-aid ,and not know any better.
3. they cant be held accountable to any certifications or licences.
Does that about cover it? :nods:
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Pretty much, yes.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" --- I have never, ever seen a single "Board Certified Counselor" and here you're claiming most wilderness programs have them backing up "licensed personnel"? I call bullshit.
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Lets see, DJ has never seen a Board Certified Counselor in Wilderness Programs. The first program I looked at was SUWS of the Carolinas
Here are the people from SUWS as an example:
Link
SUWS
Leah is a Certified Counselor with the National Board of Certified Counselors, has a Masters of Science Degree in Community Counseling,
Jesse Quam is the Clinical Director for SUWS of the Carolinas. Before earning his Masters of Clinical Social Work from Boston College (May, 2005), Jesse worked for Aspen Achievement Academy,
Clinical Team
4 LPC’s
2 LCSW’s
1 Phd
So we can conclude that wilderness Programs Hire licensed and Board Certified employees.
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heretik:
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--- Quote from: "psy" ---Note:
when a program representative says: "we've changed" or "we don't do that anymore".
he/she really means "we're calling it something else, but it's pretty much the exact same thing."
I have no doubt that programs today are hiring people with records, or at the very least with very little qualification. WWASP being a good example. There are countless others, including "reputable" programs, who have been caught employing under-qualified personnel.
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Thats why it is important for parents to check themselves. Qualifications can be verified and parents can ask to speak with other parents who who have had kids go thru the process. They can ask to see if studies have been done. etc.
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--- Quote ---"including "reputable" programs"
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Geesh, would these be Aspen programs.
--- Quote ---Thats why it is important for parents to check themselves. Qualifications can be verified and parents can ask to speak with other parents who who have had kids go thru the process. They can ask to see if studies have been done. etc.
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This is just another classical asinine statement that just jumps from your brain to your fingers. Yeah every parent is just doing this Whooter.
OK, lets say the parents do try to investigate the qualifications of employees as you say. One would assume the said program Directors are fully aware of their staff qualifications and/or lack of. That being said, Whooter do you really think that the Director of said program is going to allow this information to be made readily available especially staff that barely made it through H.S.
Shit, the programs can't even find Directors with the proper schooling and we all know know that information was not made available until a program closing "outed" the info, (Bitz, in case you were wondering).
Whooter, all your foolishness is so stupid really. You could give a rats ass about children.
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