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Offline Whooter

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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #165 on: December 23, 2010, 03:32:30 PM »
Squiggy, just for clarification purposes lets supply a link so the readers can view the study for themselves while we are discussing it.



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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #166 on: December 23, 2010, 03:34:23 PM »
Just add an asterisk that states "The following is brought to you by Aspen Education Group".
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #167 on: December 23, 2010, 03:43:01 PM »
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Just add an asterisk that states "The following is brought to you by Aspen Education Group".


Outcome study shows success.

Outcome Study *

*-Funded by Aspen Education group.  The Western Institutional Review Board
approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.




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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #168 on: December 23, 2010, 03:47:34 PM »
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Just add an asterisk that states "The following is brought to you by Aspen Education Group".


Outcome study shows success.

Outcome Study *

*-Funded by Aspen Education group.  The Western Institutional Review Board
approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.




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So you've finally come to accept this entire crap study was nothing more than a Aspen commerical. Took a long time for that break through for you Johnny. Congrats. Now that you understand that I think we can move forward to other topics.
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #169 on: December 23, 2010, 03:57:15 PM »
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Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Just add an asterisk that states "The following is brought to you by Aspen Education Group".


Outcome study shows success.

Outcome Study *

*-Funded by Aspen Education group.  The Western Institutional Review Board
approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.




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So you've finally come to accept this entire crap study was nothing more than a Aspen commerical. Took a long time for that break through for you Johnny. Congrats. Now that you understand that I think we can move forward to other topics.

Squiggy, Yes they will use the independent study (with 3rd party oversight) for marketing purposes too.  I think that is what has many here up in arms.  Not only did the study show an overwhelming percentage of success but this also offers them an opportunity to use the study for their marketing campaign.  This bothers some people here, but I have always believed that it is a good idea to have people make up their own minds for themselves.



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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #170 on: December 23, 2010, 05:07:59 PM »
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Squiggy, Yes they will use the independent study (with 3rd party oversight) for marketing purposes too. I think that is what has many here up in arms. Not only did the study show an overwhelming percentage of success but this also offers them an opportunity to use the study for their marketing campaign. This bothers some people here, but I have always believed that it is a good idea to have people make up their own minds for themselves.



So you believe that junk science conducted by biased parties for a paying customer should be passed off to potential consumers without disclaimers attached?
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #171 on: December 24, 2010, 07:43:17 AM »
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Squiggy, Yes they will use the independent study (with 3rd party oversight) for marketing purposes too. I think that is what has many here up in arms. Not only did the study show an overwhelming percentage of success but this also offers them an opportunity to use the study for their marketing campaign. This bothers some people here, but I have always believed that it is a good idea to have people make up their own minds for themselves.



So you believe that junk science conducted by biased parties for a paying customer should be passed off to potential consumers without disclaimers attached?

I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks it is okay to pass off something that is not true.



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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #172 on: December 24, 2010, 09:51:31 AM »
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So if someone hires an independent contractor to work on their house than it is not independent either and since the accountant is getting paid then they cant be independent either etc. etc.  they all provide services, some evaluate performance, some build additions and some do tax work.  We are all free to believe what we want and if you dont want them to be independent then that is okay.


It still wouldn't be evaluating the performance of the homeowner.  That's what Aspen Ed did.....hire a firm to evaluate their own performance.  You're not this stupid.  You know the difference.
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #173 on: December 24, 2010, 09:53:21 AM »
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Obviously you're having trouble understanding the difference between services rendered, and evaluations conducted.


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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #174 on: December 24, 2010, 10:01:27 AM »
I trust this thread will continue to be as confusing and convoluted as possible. Already it is replete with inconsistencies, misconceptions, fallacies, and deliberate misquotations. Let's keep them coming.. Whooter, you're up; if things were starting to make sense, I trust you can and will fix that.
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #175 on: December 24, 2010, 10:50:54 AM »
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So if someone hires an independent contractor to work on their house than it is not independent either and since the accountant is getting paid then they cant be independent either etc. etc.  they all provide services, some evaluate performance, some build additions and some do tax work.  We are all free to believe what we want and if you dont want them to be independent then that is okay.


It still wouldn't be evaluating the performance of the homeowner.  That's what Aspen Ed did.....hire a firm to evaluate their own performance.  You're not this stupid.  You know the difference.

Of course they did Anne.  They did not evaluate their own performance they hired someone to do it, an independent agency.  They hire people to evaluate their financial performance as well and create a report on it.  They hire people to conduct independent audits of their financial status.  Why is this hard to understand?



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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #176 on: December 24, 2010, 10:54:33 AM »
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So if someone hires an independent contractor to work on their house than it is not independent either and since the accountant is getting paid then they cant be independent either etc. etc.  they all provide services, some evaluate performance, some build additions and some do tax work.  We are all free to believe what we want and if you dont want them to be independent then that is okay.

It still wouldn't be evaluating the performance of the homeowner.  That's what Aspen Ed did.....hire a firm to evaluate their own performance.  You're not this stupid.  You know the difference.

Of course they did Anne.  They did not evaluate their own performance they hired someone to do it, an independent agency.  They hire people to evaluate their financial performance as well and create a report on it.  They hire people to conduct independent audits of their financial status.  Why is this hard to understand?


Because the firm that does the evaluating wouldn't get good referrals if they told the truth.  Why is this hard to understand?
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #177 on: December 24, 2010, 10:58:55 AM »
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So if someone hires an independent contractor to work on their house than it is not independent either and since the accountant is getting paid then they cant be independent either etc. etc.  they all provide services, some evaluate performance, some build additions and some do tax work.  We are all free to believe what we want and if you dont want them to be independent then that is okay.

It still wouldn't be evaluating the performance of the homeowner.  That's what Aspen Ed did.....hire a firm to evaluate their own performance.  You're not this stupid.  You know the difference.

Of course they did Anne.  They did not evaluate their own performance they hired someone to do it, an independent agency.  They hire people to evaluate their financial performance as well and create a report on it.  They hire people to conduct independent audits of their financial status.  Why is this hard to understand?


Because the firm that does the evaluating wouldn't get good referrals if they told the truth.  Why is this hard to understand?

Thats the nature of the business.  If the guy doing their taxes has to give them the bad news that they are making less money then maybe they will not get good referral also.  Everyone knows going in what the risks are.  



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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #178 on: December 24, 2010, 11:27:20 AM »
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I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks it is okay to pass off something that is not true

Hard pressed? Not at all. You lie about things all the time. The reason all of us (except you) are is because the entire TTI industry operates based on lies.
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Re: Independent Study Shows Success.
« Reply #179 on: December 24, 2010, 11:31:24 AM »
I am sorry that you cannot have a civil conversation, Bruce, and have a need to call people liars.



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