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Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2003-10-12 13:46:00, Carey wrote:

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--- Quote ---But it is a good example of how the aleged adults in our society seem to have lost all sense and reason when it comes to raising kids
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It is not only that they have lost all sense and reason but an overwhelming need to be in control.  And...not just a need to be in control... but a need to be in control of others.  
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Yeah, I agree. And I'm trying to explain that it's not just the program parents or just program staff. It's widespread, largely accepted philosophy. It's frightening as hell to me. Program people generally are the worst cases. But it's not asif they don't have the full blessing and support of our institutions and public opinion. They do.

The more there are of us who start to wake up and see through this the less hostile a return to sanity will be. I'm not being expansive when I say that, if liberty and civility prevail, life in this country will be very like life in West Germany after the war. Damned near everyone can be counted complicit by silence. If that is how we define 'the enemy' then it's a lost cause, we're hopelessly outnumbered.

Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798

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Antigen:
Oh, and the most messed up thing about the hookey story above? THIS is what they call enligtened policy! They're not punishing the kids like a bunch of grouchy old Conservatives, no! They're intervening like good Liberals! They're not being mean, they're helping!! Ask any of them and be ready to face the wall and spread `em if you're talking to the DARE cop! They sometimes get a little touchy when people suggest that they might be making a mistake.

Now, I would DAMND sure rather appeal to a DARE cop's sense of reason and fairness through pursuasion and dialog than to insult them and face them as an enemy. People do come around, ya know? Sombody shot Hitler, and it wan't any of the Allied Forces.

 
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.

--Joseph Goebbels
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Carey:
Ya know Ginger, I have not totally given up on society...yet. :smile: I will say that the school system here, along with all of the various other support services that Louisiana has, have been great to my boys.  We had a rough time with the first judge who was invovled in our case, but she finally stepped aside due to her age and lack of knowledge where family matters are concerned and handed it over to another.  This second judge has been a Godsend, a mentor for the boys and very good and understanding about all they have been through.  My boys are beginning to beleive in themselves again, which is sooooo good!  I guess what I am trying to say, is that while times have changed there still are alot of GOOD people out there.

Antigen:
"I guess what I am trying to say, is that while times have changed there still are alot of GOOD people out there."

Oh, I haven't given up either! In fact I'm hanging a lot of my hopes on the belief that there enough of the good aspirations among us to just overwhelm the bad aspirations. What I'm saying is that if you look very closely into the histories of the coolest people you know, you'll very likely find some astounding lapses of reason, good judgement and even compassion.

Did you tearfully support bombing Bahgdad the rest of the way back to the 15th Century? A lot of people have died or lost everything because a lot of other people got sold on a bill of goods.

"If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"-- Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
--Edmund Burke
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Carey:
Ginger, did you ever see the movie Escape from New York?  I think they should put all of the evil people in this world on an island and let them fin for themselves, sorta like they did in that movie.

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