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Parents should be held accountable!

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Deborah:
Yeh, and did you hear about this one?
http://www.click10.com/news/2679267/detail.html

Caught one of the wack, right-wing talk show hosts ranting on about it last night on my way to Toys R Us. Fah La La La La. One of his deranged callers explained that he was an ex drug addict and could attest to the fact that PCP would make one "crazy" and that the cop, "knowing the guy was on PCP, should have shot him in the head", rather than risk his own safety. Then justified, that given the combination of drugs the victim had taken- he would have died that night anyway.

Dear lord, where have we heard this BS before?

Programs blame restraint deaths on Excited Delirium- Victim "causes their own death" by becoming overly distressed about being restrained. Convenient. Let's the 2 or 3 large adults doing the restraining off the hook. Doesn't matter that they cut off the victim's supply of oxygen.

In the above case, the victim's "struggle with police" caused his death, complicated by his "drug use" of course. IF he hadn't "struggled" he would still be alive.

Give me an F-in break. This is 2003 on planet Earth for god's sake. Technology abounds. Fierce animals in the wild are treated more humanely than "deviants".

Rarely is "reasoning" the authority's MO- provoking is probably more common- but given that the victim is beyond reasoning, the most humane thing to do, (and what I would prefer if it was MY loved one resisting) is shoot him/her with a tranquilizer dart. Five seconds and they'd be flat out on the ground. There are also pressure points that will bring one to the ground immediately. There are even nets that can be shot from special guns to contain the subject- saw high school students using them to catch animals they would return to the wild. Point being- Bullets, restraint, and "struggle" (beating?) are not the only options.

There is no excuse to allow this "venting of pent up rage" by the "authorities". Police should not be allowed to carry anything but tranquiler darts. There are too many that go into  professions of authority in order to perpetrate violence themselves.

Bowling For Columbine- Michael Moore's film- showed beyond a shadow of doubt that this is a country full of fearful, angry, rage-filled people who jump at the opportunity to vent all their seething rage on every "victim" that crosses their path. Their motto, "I loves my gun".

Where does the buck stop? The violence perpetrated by the "authorities" is no more justified than that of the "victim". There are some that would like us to believe otherwise and they would also choose that we continue to believe that "righteous" violence is justified- a necessary evil; because they need an outlet for their own rage (fear)... otherwise, they might explode and land in jail, or dead, themselves.

There is no argument that can justify the killing of a 350# druggie passed out on the lawn of a restaurant or the killing of a "defiant teen" who has the life squeezed out of him by three adult staff?

Anonymous:
::bandit::  :smokin:

Antigen:
Check out http://tribweb.com/ and search on the name liberman. The print edition of the one headlined "Girl blaims burns, beatings by mother" is much longer than the online version. The last paragraph goes like this:

"[Liberman] told us she adopted the children because they had a drug abusive mother," said a neighbor, Lori Hanechak, adding she was shocked because there was no prior sign of child abuse and that Liberman appeared to be a very loving, caring parent.

It's really and truely not JUST the troubled parent industry that's the problem. It's the fact and the reasons why there's a market demand for professionally administered child abuse.


May the fleas of one thousand llamas infest your armpits
--One ticked off sysadmin
--- End quote ---

Anonymous:
I'm in complete agreement that parent's need to take responsibility.

I also agree that without those parents there is no market for these programs to exist.

I've heard girls talking about getting raped by their fathers... they're the slut... they're a druggie. What kind of insanity is that? That is exactly the place to keep the daughter you've been raping locked away with people in control who are telling her it's her fault. Let her take the responsibility...

Sure that is an extreme example...

What I'm curious to know is how many children placed are already abused emotionally or physically or sexually by the parents who signed them in?

How many parents feed off of someone telling them that all the problems are the kids fault, letting them off the hook.

How many parents might not even see much wrong with abuse if they are already abusing their own kid and saying "they deserved it".? Doesn't seem so hard for me to see them believing that their child must have deserved what they were getting in the program.

I don't know if every place is like this, but I know a good number were.

Anonymous:
YOU CAN CALL THE KIDS THE VICTIMS ALL YOU WANT, AND IN SOME CASES IN CERTAIN SCENARIOS THEY ARE.  YOU ARE NEGLECTING TO SEE, HOWEVER, THAT THEY ENDED UP IN A FACILITY SUCH AS THIS FOR A REASON.  IF YOU LIKE THE BLAME GAME AS U CALL IT (I REMEMBER THAT TERM VERY WELL) THEN SHOOT AN EYEBALL OVER IN THE KIDS DIRECTION FIRST, LETS NOT FORGET THAT WE 'STUDENTS' GOT THE BALL ROLLING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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