Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Parents should be held accountable!
Anonymous:
i for one would put them in jail if they suspeceted or known about abuse taking place where they shipped their kids off to. Their is actually a law on the books that says just that. Also i would like to see the parents pay for the many years of councling it may take to help the kid recover from the program. Also i would love to see the parents sued if they hired kidnappers "escorts". And abused the state laws by sending the kid out of state to avoid the state laws. Thats accountablity for the Parents!!!!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Now tell me, how shall I be accountable? What is it you would have from me (or anyone) that would satisfy you? Not that I am in any way accountable to you - But still, what would you require?
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How you should be held accountable is not up to me. It is up to God for now. I suppose it could be up to a judge and jury at some point, but that too is not up to me.
I don't have all of the answers, I wish I did, but I don't. But I do beleive that the key to stopping all of the madness is to hold the parents accountable for their part in it. I think as long as there are insane parents, easily influenced parents, parents who have the need to control, then there will always be a supply of these programs. How do we stop whats going on, we hold parents accountable. They are the ones that are making the choice. There will always be those out there like Litchfield, who for the might buck, will carry out the service if parents are willing to pay. Like I said in another thread, it is all about supply and demand...if there is no demand...then there will be no supply.
--- Quote ---You see, from my perspective - I have been accountable. I have accounted for my thoughts feeling and actions threw out the entire episode.
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That is all good! I mean that, sincerely. I did not list everything else you have done (didn't want to take up space) and that is all good too. But stopping WWASP will not stop program abuse. It will not stop parents who are desparate from finding another abusive alternative program.
Carey:
That was me!
Let me add this, look at all of those luney-tunes out there right now who are working on "blind trust", don't you think if they thought they could be held accountable "if" their child was being abused, they might want more than just "blind trust" to work off of?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-13 05:53:00, Carey wrote:
"That was me!
Let me add this, look at all of those luney-tunes out there right now who are working on "blind trust", don't you think if they thought they could be held accountable "if" their child was being abused, they might want more than just "blind trust" to work off of?"
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Carey, what do you think about parents who blindly trust their pediatricians and allow their babies to receive dangerous vaccinations that leave them hopelessly autistic?
Just a few years ago, the heretical view was that any mother who would question the conventional wisdom and refuse vaccinations was either a religious nut or a dangerously negligent mother. Now it's starting to come out that these safe and trusted vaccines actually are dangerous and are more likely to seriously harm some children than the diseases we're trying to prevent.
Now, all along the way, for decades, there have been doctors, researchers, pharmaceuticals and parents who are guilty of failure to do due dilligence. We all just trust eachother, right? Blindly. Do what everyone does, right?
Now the medical people and the pharm people just go about their merry way, wouldn't even recognize their victims if they tripped over them panhandling on the street 40 years later. But the parents are still the parents. There's no getting away from it for them. They get to live out their old age reflecting on what might have been if they had been just a bit more skeptical.
They don't need to be punished any more. We just need to let make next generation of parents understand the danger.
One more thing. I don't know if there's anything to the accusations that this is all about getting back at your ex or not. Frankly, I'd understand very well if you're enraged at him and completely unable to understand why he did what he did and how he can possibly hold to notion that it was the right thing. I know parents who, decades later, will still tell their adult child that they'd do it again. Incomprehensible to me. And my own mother's one of them!
However, most of them eventually come around, at least to some degree. Their kids are luckier than the others. I get to see it from both perspectives.
I think some of your critics have a good point when following your reasoning to the next logical step. If your ex is that big a sadistic asshole and/or that negligent in trustng WWASP, then aren't you just as liable for trusting him?
If you get right down to it, damned near everyone is liable, complicit (at least by silence) in this criminal industry. Am I at fault for not speaking out 20 years ago? Maybe. I know I feel a pang of guilt very often when I read some sad story that happened just a couple of years ago or about someone like you and your kids who are living it now. Aren't you mad at me for cowering away and not giving you the heads up?
This could go on forever.
If you want to destroy market demand for these demented little cults, there's one sure way to do it. Make sure the public knows just what they're about. Just the facts, ma'am. Whether you're ready now or able ever to understand it, they do recruite the parents through manipulation and trickery. That only works if the mark doesn't know the scam. So let's just do all we can to get the word out on the scam and let the powers that be deal with whatever retribution might be in order.
What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
Carey:
Ginger, my argument has nothing to do with my ex, I can assure you of that. No matter how I feel about him and what he did, he is still the father of my children. I hope that one day he will be able to reestablish his relationship with them.
The difference between me and those who attack me is that I am not in this for revenge. I am in this for the teens. Unfortunatly for them, I see them as part of the problem. I know that is why they are trying to discredit me in any way they can. They don't want to look bad based on their own ignorance. I can not help that. Like I said I am not in this for them, I am in this for the children. Look at what they have reverted to over the last few days. They can not argue their case, so they revert to name calling. I think their "desparate" behavior is and was very immature. It really does not bother me, because I am not worried about me, I am worried about the teens. I am an adult and I can take their verbal attacks.
As far as the immunizations thing goes, I don't see the camparison. I think the two situations can not be compared. Yes, doctors can be wrong. Yes, modern medicine and new studies can change the over all view of past opinions. But let us remember that the over all industry is regulated. I do not think the parent who trusted the pediatrician who recommneded the immunization should be held accountable. She was trusting in an individual who had studied medicine. Someone who spent years training. She was trusting a vaccine that had been tested and approved by the FDA. The parents who put kids in programs are trusting uneducated people. The parents who put kids in programs are trusting an unregulated, unproven theory of "behavior modification." The two are not camparable.
Now, had a parent placed their child in a program and it was based on the referal of a psychiatrist, psychologist or judge, then I don't think the parent should be held accountable. But I do think the professional who did the refering should be.
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