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ASR Alumni Interview
Antigen:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Geesh, put the torches down, go home and have a beer or a Blunt. A little interview from a survivor that doesnt fit the fornits mold isnt going to hurt anyone. I dont think a post or two will change peoples thinking here enough to lose any followers. Pull some old abuse stories out from the straight archives, hold your hands over your eyes and ears and keep saying to yourselves:
"All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad"
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Do you have an interview from any of the dead kids? Oh yeah, they're dead. Sorry, never mind.
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---Parents are responsible for raising their children. But some households have both parents who work outside the home. I agree that the ideal would be to have one parent home all the time but times have changed. I dont think there is a common thread that points to parenting (or a specific parenting style) as the cause for having an at-risk child.
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Who cares if there isn't a thread that supports parenting as the cause for having an at risk child. Go stove pipe someone else with your ill founded reasoning. But since were discussing that, look yourself in the mirror tonight and ask yourself, "Is my parenting style responsible for my daughter being an at risk teen?" It is time for a reality check, Whooter. If you do have a child, man up and speak to her about what went on behind closed doors.
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I wasnt asking for a thread of any kind. I was pointing out that the common denominator of kids at risk is not linked to any one parenting style or lack of parenting.
Anne Bonney had/has an at-risk teen. She spent time with her children and I dont point to her parenting style for what resulted in her having a teen at risk. If a parent has 3 kids and they are all raised the same and one of them adopts an at-risk life style the common thread is not the parenting.
Think about it,Gatekeeper.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Geesh, put the torches down, go home and have a beer or a Blunt. A little interview from a survivor that doesnt fit the fornits mold isnt going to hurt anyone.
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No, but when it's pulled directly from an Aspen marketing site it kinda loses credibility.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---"All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad", "All Programs are Bad"
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We haven't said that. YOU'VE said that we've said that. We've said that programs that use the LGAT-type methods are bad. We've said that programs that isolate kids from the rest of the world are bad. We've said a lot about certain types of programs but I don't recall anyone saying that no kid ever needed help or that every single program offered out there is bad. The programs that you seem to advocate are bad (Aspen Ed, LGAT-style, wilderness 'therapy' that literally hike kids to death etc.).
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Anne Bonney had/has an at-risk teen. She spent time with her children and I dont point to her parenting style for what resulted in her having a teen at risk.
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Well, I will. It wasn't all me, but I was heavily influenced by Straight and got pregnant shortly after graduating. The Straight influence couldn't help but have creeped into my parenting at least a little. I've even talked about it here before. And apologized profusely to my kids for it. Unfortunately, they still have to deal with their father who, depending on if he's gotten himself in trouble again, uses Straight-thinking/AA thinking as a battering ram at them.
--- Quote --- If a parent has 3 kids and they are all raised the same and one of them adopts an at-risk life style the common thread is not the parenting.
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Not necessarily. Maybe two of the kids fit into what the parents ideal is for them but the third wants to do something that differs from what the parents want. That kid could very well end up in a program simply because he doesn't react like a carbon copy of the parents and the other two kids do.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Geesh, put the torches down, go home and have a beer or a Blunt. A little interview from a survivor that doesnt fit the fornits mold isnt going to hurt anyone.
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No, but when it's pulled directly from an Aspen marketing site it kinda loses credibility.
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It doesnt lose credibility with anyone but you. The child doing the interview was probably not aware that her story would be used for marketing purposes. Programs interview a lot of kids after they leave the program. My daughter was interviewed by SUWS over the phone after she left ASR. Most businesses try to reach out and get a feel from their customers on how they are doing and to get a level of the water so to speak.
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