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[SharonMcCarthy]

Whooter, Froderik misses you in the other threads...

[Troll Control]

Look what I found by searching the database:

Whooter has told on himself.

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):

John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity.

I hope RB is bust sending this to all of your colleagues explaining your little fetishes, drug use and dealing.  You are an embarassment to your family, Whooter.  Sorry it had to come out this way, but someone had to hold your feet to the fire and make you tell the truth about yourself.

It's a shame you did this to your kids and then spent five years here denying you did it.  You must have a lot of guilt to carry around with you.

[Whooter]

Well (just for grins) lets see.  Lets look around.  lol The only one left standing is "Whooter".  Yeah!!!!  Our friend "Dysfunction Junction" slinked back into the darkness, from where he came, after I reveled his dirty little postings and debunked his fabricated education.

I can still hear him now  "But I never posted under anyone's name except my Dysfunction Junction account.  I swear, all those posts are Whooters fault  or no wait they must be my wifes'".......  and then as he takes his last breath and fades into the darkness.... "Whooter made me write those disgusting posts and all those advanced degrees are really mine.  I earned them.  I was just correcting some spelling from 5 years ago, thats all, you need to believe me".


Has anyone seen Dysfunction Junction since we exposed him?

Ha,Ha,Ha,



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[Troll Control]

We've seen this that you're carefully avoiding.  "Who" has been exposed, now?  Tough luck, Charlie.

Look what I found by searching the database:

Whooter has told on himself.

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):

John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity.

I hope RB is bust sending this to all of your colleagues explaining your little fetishes, drug use and dealing.  You are an embarassment to your family, Whooter.  Sorry it had to come out this way, but someone had to hold your feet to the fire and make you tell the truth about yourself.

It's a shame you did this to your kids and then spent five years here denying you did it.  You must have a lot of guilt to carry around with you.

[RobertBruce]

Yes, Whooter he's still here. I guess this is why you always assumed every guest who hurt your feelings or proved you wrong was me. You can't tell similarities in writting styles.

[RobertBruce]

I can still hear him now "But I never posted under anyone's name except my Dysfunction Junction account.

Not that you're really one to walk Whooter. All the times I accused you of guest posting so you could support yourself when no one else would. Turns out I was right.

Same way that I accused you of attacking yourself so you could claim people were attacking you for having a differing opinion. Turns out I was right there too.

Not to mention all the various guises/usernames  you posted under, including all the times you attempted to impersonate me.

No, you really aren't one to talk at all.

[Troll Control]

That's not what I said, either.  I never said I didn't post anon.  I think it's fair to say we all have done it.  What I said was I only had one user account, a fact proven true.

Let's take a look at Mr. Whooter's (dragged from the shadows, lol) identities:

RobertBruce.

RobertBruce .

RobertBruces

BEN WAjowski

Fred Bicep

Peg Sympson

John C.

Mike D.

Ursas

Slander Programs

John B.

Jim Bunson

Dot MacKinnon

Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)

Mark Rosen

Roger Glasdco

John Randall

Pete DeGroot

Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)

Warner Stubbin

Steve Backlan

James Driding

Rob Jamison

Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)

Bess H.

Iao;nori

Jim Baylor

Sid Michaels

Fred Thompson

John McCain

Sarah Palin

Mitt Romney

Al Gore

Dick Cheney

Mike Wilson

Rudy Bentz

Heal Online

Margaret Wilson

Revenge Fantasy Girlz

Diddle

Robert Hess

Ajax13.

Tom K

Aghast.

Marion


Talk about your schizoid personality disorders!  A good DOZEN of these are Whooter's REGISTERTED ACCOUNTS.  I had only one as the admins proved.  Of course I was telling the truth.  Whooter...not so much.

Yes, Robert, you're right, too.  He created three separate logins to troll you with.  I think he has a thing for you.

[Anne Bonney]

I don't have the time to go through all this now.  I've long suspected that Whooter is Reuben, but I don't have any solid proof.  This comes pretty close, IMO.  I've also said before that I believe that part of what drives him to post here, start STICC etc.,  is guilt.  The guilt he will never admit to, but that he definitely feels, IMO.  If he were to admit what Aspen truly is and what it truly does to kids, he'd have to accept that he paid strangers to hurt his own child and didn't do anything to 'save' him.  That's a pretty hefty load to carry around and the best way for him to deal with it is to deny, deny, deny the abuses that occurred at Aspen and/or believe, believe, believe that it "helped" (even though it very clearly did not) and what he did was good, right and true.  Then there's the money involved in his little "not for profit".  I don't know why I was surprised when he said "Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good."

Either way, he's a shill.

[Whooter]

I don't have the time to go through all this now.  I've long suspected that Whooter is Reuben, but I don't have any solid proof.  This comes pretty close, IMO.  I've also said before that I believe that part of what drives him to post here, start STICC etc.,  is guilt.  The guilt he will never admit to, but that he definitely feels, IMO.  If he were to admit what Aspen truly is and what it truly does to kids, he'd have to accept that he paid strangers to hurt his own child and didn't do anything to 'save' him.  That's a pretty hefty load to carry around and the best way for him to deal with it is to deny, deny, deny the abuses that occurred at Aspen and/or believe, believe, believe that it "helped" (even though it very clearly did not) and what he did was good, right and true.  Then there's the money involved in his little "not for profit".  I don't know why I was surprised when he said "Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good."

Either way, he's a shill.

Consider for a minute that he started a nonprofit to raise awareness.  He used his sons death as an example of what can happen to those kids who are sent to programs.  He raises money to get the word out and help to educate families on the dangers of programs and their deceptive marketing practices.  He would still be profiting but with a different message.

I don’t think you would judge him as harshly because you would agree with is point of view.  Would you be as disgusted that he used his sons death?  You are very closed minded Anne which obvious in the above post (you dont even realize it) and you struggle to see things from different perspectives.  Anyone who disagrees with you on this industry is a shill or somehow evil.



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[Troll Control]

"The last refuge of the guilty is denial..."

Too bad.  You lose.  Jig's up.

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Whooter = John Reuben

Well, considering you are John Reuben and run a TTI referral service, I'd say it's fair to call you a shill.

[Anne Bonney]

Consider for a minute that he started a nonprofit to raise awareness.  He used his sons death as an example of what can happen to those kids who are sent to programs.  He raises money to get the word out and help to educate families on the dangers of programs and their deceptive marketing practices.  He would still be profiting but with a different message.

I don’t think you would judge him as harshly because you would agree with is point of view.

And you'd be wrong.  Seriously wrong.  I think it's horrible to profit from the death or pain of your own child. But that's just me.  You, very obviously, feel differently.  Example:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348838&hilit=silver+lining#p348838
Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

Would you be as disgusted that he used his sons death?

Yes I would.

You are very closed minded Anne which obvious in the above post (you dont even realize it) and you struggle to see things from different perspectives.  Anyone who disagrees with you on this industry is a shill or somehow evil.

No, not everyone who disagrees with me about the TTI is a shill, but you sure are.

[Whooter]

You must live in a box, Anne, thousands of people are motivated or inspired by the death of a loved one and create foundations and non profits to help others.  I have seen people walking for breast cancer to raise money to help others while wearing a picture of their mother or family member.  I have seen groups of people carrying banners with photos of woman who have died of ovarian cancer and have created foundations to raise money so that others can get the help they need and to educate the public on this disease.

This is extremely common but maybe you don’t donate enough or care enough to see these groups that are in need and trying to spread the word about their causes.

Many hospitals, research facilities are named after people who have died.  Their families donate money and raise money to continue the research so that others may live longer happier lives.

Instead of seeing these people as disgusting you should try to step back and see the good that they are doing.  Maybe get involved yourself to help others.  Many of the people who died were probably people who would want their death to be used to help others.



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[Troll Control]

I have seen a TTI referral agent pretending to be dozens upon dozens of other people relentlessly shilling for abusive programs on Fornits.  That's a little different than a "cancer walk," IMHO.

Whooter is a shill piece/troll.

[Anne Bonney]

You must live in a box, Anne, thousands of people are motivated or inspired by the death of a loved one and create foundations and non profits to help others.  I have seen people walking for breast cancer to raise money to help others while wearing a picture of their mother or family member.

But not to line their own pockets.

 I have seen groups of people carrying banners with photos of woman who have died of ovarian cancer and have created foundations to raise money so that others can get the help they need and to educate the public on this disease.

But not to line their own pockets.

This is extremely common but maybe you don’t donate enough or care enough to see these groups that are in need and trying to spread the word about their causes.

Many hospitals, research facilities are named after people who have died.  Their families donate money and raise money to continue the research so that others may live longer happier lives.

Instead of seeing these people as disgusting you should try to step back and see the good that they are doing.  Maybe get involved yourself to help others.  Many of the people who died were probably people who would want their death to be used to help others.

Instead of conflating the issues, you should read what people actually write and respond to that instead of responding to what you've twisted their words into.

I think it's disgusting for a parent to pay themselves and line their own pockets by using the death of their own child as publicity for their business.    Especially in the case of John Reuben.  The places he (you?) shill for (Aspen Ed) are abusive, don't provide any treatment and obviously, at the very least, didn't help poor Michael and more than likely, contributed to his feelings of despair, IMO.

[Whooter]

Instead of conflating the issues, you should read what people actually write and respond to that instead of responding to what you've twisted their words into.

I think it's disgusting for a parent to pay themselves and line their own pockets by using the death of their own child as publicity for their business.    Especially in the case of John Reuben.  The places he (you?) shill for (Aspen Ed) are abusive, don't provide any treatment and obviously, at the very least, didn't help poor Michael and more than likely, contributed to his feelings of despair, IMO.

There was no mention of lining a persons pockets, Anne.  These people raise money for cancer to raise awareness, to find a cure, to get kids help when they cant afford it.  Like I said earlier it seems to be okay for you as long as it meets your agenda.  People start non profits every day to help people just like John Reuben did and many times they are motivated by the death of a loved one.  You just happen to not agree with his thinking so you are taking shots at him.

He and his family and friends know his children much better than you or I do and if they say they were helped by their time in a program then we should believe them.  The childs death was not related to the program at all and occurred years after.  There are thousands of other factors that could have contributed.  You or I cannot sit here and determine that.

He saw first hand the success of ASR and HLA.  



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