Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---We were discussing your attempt to pass off material from Aspen Ed's statement, on behalf of MBA, as being material from Barney Lerten's article. That was really kinda sneaky and dishonest, if you ask me!
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No I didnt, Ursus. I usually take quotes from an article and post them. ( I dont post the whole article sometimes if I dont need to). You had already posted the entire article so I carve out pieces that we can talk about. I have been doing this for years. You are the only one on fornits who spends days posting the entire comments section of an article.
What I do is take one or two comments, post them and speak to it.
I consider Barney Letens words, the journalists words, parents words, Aspens words and DHS words all part of the article. It would not be complete without them in there. I think this is where we disagree.
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Tell me, Whooter, when you see that same Aspen press release on other websites, does it carry the byline of Barney Lerten?
I can assure that it does not.
You attempted to pass off press release material of a corporation doing aggressive damage control, a corporation that owns dozens of teen hell holes, in which kids have died in, as the words of a presumably objective journalist.
That is an egregious misrepresentation.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---We were discussing your attempt to pass off material from Aspen Ed's statement, on behalf of MBA, as being material from Barney Lerten's article. That was really kinda sneaky and dishonest, if you ask me!
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No I didnt, Ursus. I usually take quotes from an article and post them. ( I dont post the whole article sometimes if I dont need to). You had already posted the entire article so I carve out pieces that we can talk about. I have been doing this for years. You are the only one on fornits who spends days posting the entire comments section of an article.
What I do is take one or two comments, post them and speak to it.
I consider Barney Letens words, the journalists words, parents words, Aspens words and DHS words all part of the article. It would not be complete without them in there. I think this is where we disagree.
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Tell me, Whooter, when you see that same Aspen press release on other websites, does it carry the byline of Barney Lerten?
I can assure that it does not.
You attempted to pass off press release material of a corporation doing aggressive damage control, a corporation that owns dozens of teen hell holes, in which kids have died in, as the words of a presumably objective journalist.
That is an egregious misrepresentation.
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I looked at the link you provided and I never mentioned Barney Lerten wrote anything that belonged to Aspens statement. I mentioned it was from the article, which it was. Go back and take a look. I think you read into stuff a little too much and maybe a little anal about lining things up.
We are all talking about the same article. Everyone can read and see for themselves, there is no possibility of someone perceiving it as deceptive.
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heretik:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---This is not about you Whooter. Children!!!!!
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I think if you could have the opportunity to meet with some of the kids who benefited from these programs you would not be so quick to harshly judge these places. I dont think you would feel the same way about shutting the programs down and denying these kids the help they desperately need and cannot get at home.
When MBA closed it caused many people to lose their jobs and children to be uprooted once again and replaced into another facility. Nothing was gained really it was all downside. I doubt that people have much respect for the DHS in Oregon at this point. These are compassionate people, I understand that. We also know that if they really believe that kids are being put in harms way they would have quit their jobs before coming out with a statement like that and letting it continue if they really felt abuse was occurring there. I would never want to be part of a place that abused children, I dont think anyone would. Especially if you made the decision to allow them to continue to abuse kids and open up a new program.
Once the DHS reviewed the evidence they realized they made a mistake. I think that is very obvious.
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Whooter, children. What is so hard about this.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "heretik" ---This is not about you Whooter. Children!!!!!
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I think if you could have the opportunity to meet with some of the kids who benefited from these programs you would not be so quick to harshly judge these places. I dont think you would feel the same way about shutting the programs down and denying these kids the help they desperately need and cannot get at home.
When MBA closed it caused many people to lose their jobs and children to be uprooted once again and replaced into another facility. Nothing was gained really it was all downside. I doubt that people have much respect for the DHS in Oregon at this point. These are compassionate people, I understand that. We also know that if they really believe that kids are being put in harms way they would have quit their jobs before coming out with a statement like that and letting it continue if they really felt abuse was occurring there. I would never want to be part of a place that abused children, I dont think anyone would. Especially if you made the decision to allow them to continue to abuse kids and open up a new program.
Once the DHS reviewed the evidence they realized they made a mistake. I think that is very obvious.
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Whooter, children. What is so hard about this.
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Very simplistic, I think we agree here, Heretic. Their welfare should always be in the forefront. I believe DHS and Aspen came to the same conclusion.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" --- People like yourself and Anne etal can only see one point of view.. "all programs abuse all the kids in them".
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YOU keep saying that we say that but I never have. I've said that all programs that use LGAT-type methods are abusive in nature, but I've never said that "all programs abuse all the kids in them".
--- Quote ---You never mentioned in your post that DHS made a mistake.
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They didn't. They've withdrawn the action BECAUSE THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN.
--- Quote --- You think that all these kids are abused when they are not.
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Your opinion. My opinion is that they were abused by being subjected to the methods of "treatment" that MBA used.
--- Quote ---You never mentioned that the DHS is in damage control mode when they made that statement and isnt going to admit to anything unless they have to. She wants to keep her job and protect the reputation of herself and the people under her, we all know that but I am the only one to put it in writing here.
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Why would he? That's YOUR take on it.
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