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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2010, 12:10:30 PM »
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First I want to say I realize some of my recent posts do read as if I'm maybe being a smart ass - this is not my intent or the tone I'd use if actually "talking".  

Same here.   :peace:

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Now - a question relating to the thread topic:

Should the person who said the following be charged with a hate crime?

"We need public awareness of the danger posed by Islam. Education needs to be state of the art, eg biology. History. Students need to be taught facts. There was a Turkish siege [in 1683], and they were badly beaten. That must remain [in history books]. No tolerance for the glorification of violence! And that means we have to get rid of most of the Quran. We must realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Trojan horse. Turkey is part of that...Sharia is an absolute no-no. We d not want any gender apartheid, no ghettos, no social and cultural discrimination, no polygamy, no theocracy, no hate..."



I'll tackle the statement later (source please?), but short answer.....no.  I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.


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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2010, 12:55:38 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
First I want to say I realize some of my recent posts do read as if I'm maybe being a smart ass - this is not my intent or the tone I'd use if actually "talking".  

Same here.   :peace:

Quote from: "BuzzKill"
Now - a question relating to the thread topic:

Should the person who said the following be charged with a hate crime?

"We need public awareness of the danger posed by Islam. Education needs to be state of the art, eg biology. History. Students need to be taught facts. There was a Turkish siege [in 1683], and they were badly beaten. That must remain [in history books]. No tolerance for the glorification of violence! And that means we have to get rid of most of the Quran. We must realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Trojan horse. Turkey is part of that...Sharia is an absolute no-no. We d not want any gender apartheid, no ghettos, no social and cultural discrimination, no polygamy, no theocracy, no hate..."



I'll tackle the statement later (source please?), but short answer.....no.  I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.


http://http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/10/court-date-for-elisabeth-sabaditsch.html


Thanks!
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2010, 01:31:48 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
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Quote from: "BuzzKill"
First I want to say I realize some of my recent posts do read as if I'm maybe being a smart ass - this is not my intent or the tone I'd use if actually "talking".  

Same here.   :peace:

Quote from: "BuzzKill"
Now - a question relating to the thread topic:

Should the person who said the following be charged with a hate crime?

"We need public awareness of the danger posed by Islam. Education needs to be state of the art, eg biology. History. Students need to be taught facts. There was a Turkish siege [in 1683], and they were badly beaten. That must remain [in history books]. No tolerance for the glorification of violence! And that means we have to get rid of most of the Quran. We must realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Trojan horse. Turkey is part of that...Sharia is an absolute no-no. We d not want any gender apartheid, no ghettos, no social and cultural discrimination, no polygamy, no theocracy, no hate..."



I'll tackle the statement later (source please?), but short answer.....no.  I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.


http://http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/10/court-date-for-elisabeth-sabaditsch.html


Thanks!


That's about something that's happening in Amsterdam, not here.
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2010, 01:48:46 PM »
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That's about something that's happening in Amsterdam, not here.

If we don't stand up as a nation and demand the PC lies and distortion stop, it is just a matter of time Anne, before that is us.

From Women in Green:

Just the Facts, Imam
by Daniel Greenfield
August 16, 2010

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2010/08 ... -imam.html

Just the facts, Imam. A Muslim terrorist attack damaged a building,
allowing Muslims to pick it up for a fraction of the price, in order
to build a mosque on the spot. Some people might say that sort of
thing is tacky. A little like coming by to make an offer on the house,
after your cousin murdered the entire family who lived there. Sure,
you might claim that you're not responsible, but it just doesn't look
good. Especially once you start palling around with your cousin, and
suggesting that maybe he was just misunderstood. And maybe that family
brought it on themselves.

But the media still insists that Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. Or
if it had anything to do with 9/11, it was those "other Muslims", not
these Muslims. The media isn't really good at explaining the
difference between these Muslims and those Muslims. Often the media
insists that those Muslims are actually these Muslims. Sometimes they
claim that those Muslims are actually not Muslims at all, but people
who are upset about foreclosures and work related stress.

When Malik Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, the media spent thousands
of pounds of ink claiming that he was suffering from some airborne
form of PTSD that he picked up from the soldiers he was abusing-- all
evidence to the contrary. When the Times Square Bomber tried to kill a
few thousand New Yorkers, the media claimed that he was upset because
his house had been foreclosed on. Inconveniently enough, he turned out
to be a Muslim terrorist, complete with his very own Al Queda
martyrdom video.

But the media has never actually said those five little words. "Sorry
America, we were wrong." Because the media is never wrong. Sometimes
they're just technically incorrect. Sometimes the facts just don't
agree with their reality. And the reality can get pretty hazy down on
the other side of the Reality Based Community. Especially when there's
enough drugs in the mix. And even when it's just the liberal Kool Aid
talking.

So when it comes to Muslims, the media doesn't exactly have a great
track record of telling apart "these Muslims" from "those Muslims".
After 9/11 the media did multiple interviews with a kindly and
friendly Imam, by the name of Anwar Al-Awlaki. Anwar explained to
every media outlet that would listen that Islam is opposed to
terrorism and anyone who thinks otherwise misunderstood one of those
12,000 "You Shall Smite the Infidel" verses in the Koran. After doing
enough interviews on NPR and PBS, Anwar Al-Awlaki is hiding from US
drones somewhere in Yemen, and has been linked to both the Fort Hood
Massacre and the Times Square Bomber.

You might think that Anwar Al-Awlaki snapped after enough appearances
on PBS and NPR, whose soft calming music and lobotomized hosts could
turn anyone into a terrorist, but Al-Awlaki was actually advising the
9/11 hijackers, even before the attacks happened. So when Anwar
Al-Awlaki was telling the press that Islam is opposed to terrorism, he
was asking them to ignore everything the FBI and CounterJihadi sites
had found. Which they happily did.

What that all adds up to is that the media's proven ability to
handicap who is or isn't a Muslim terrorist is about as good as Crazy
Blind Louie's ability to handicap horse races in China, when he
doesn't speak Chinese and has been trapped in a coma for the last 3
years. At this point if the media tells you that someone isn't a
Muslim terrorist, the Vegas odds are on the side of him being Osama
bin Laden's right hand man. If the media tells you that an Imam is
moderate, run to within 50 feet away to avoid the shrapnel.

The media's approach to Islamic terrorism is a lot like Pat Buchanan's
approach to the Holocaust. They will concede that terrorism probably
does exist, and it might involve Muslims, but it's not as bad as
people make it out to be, there's a lot of context, and anyway look at
the history of it. It's not as if we're defending them, except we're
writing all these articles explaining how we shouldn't have been
fighting them in the first place. And really what did we get out of
the war anyway?

Finally the media plays its trump card. Religious freedom. It's in the
Constitution, Man! And who has never doubted the media's commitment to
religious freedom, except when it comes to prayer in schools or in the
military. Or their commitment to the Bill of Rights, which they would
die for, except for the parts they don't like very much.

Certainly the media has a point, when it argues that it's wrong to
claim that a house of worship shouldn't be built, because it's
offensive. The media has never been known to do that. Except when they
actually claim that houses of worship can be destroyed, because
they're offensive.

5 years ago, the good Muslims of Gaza decided to torch a bunch of
synagogues. Naturally the media got very outraged about it. Well, not
exactly. The media actually enthusiastically endorsed the burning of
synagogues. Why? Because synagogues in Gaza are innately offensive.

While a synagogue was being vandalized by a gleeful Muslim mob, CNN's
Matthew Chance explained:

This structure behind me --very controversial because it is the Jewish
synagogue in the middle of Netzarim. The Israeli cabinet, of course,
voting to leave those synagogues standing, very much angering the
Palestinian Authority, because they know that these buildings are seen
very much by the vast majority of Palestinians as potent symbols of
the Israeli occupation and could not be protected or even left
standing. And so we're seeing very sensitive scenes here over the past
few hours as the Palestinian security forces move the civilians out of
that synagogue and move their bulldozers in to take away these
structures, again, seen as hated symbols of the Israeli occupation.


A mere 5 years ago, CNN justified the destruction of Jewish synagogues
because they're offensive. It described the destruction of a House of
Worship as "take away these structures", a lovely euphemism that
Goebbels probably couldn't have improved on. A euphemism that suggests
the synagogue was being taken somewhere for a walk. Or maybe to a
better place. Instead of being crudely demolished, after it had been
burned and ransacked by a Muslim mob.

But today CNN can't fathom the media that someone would find building
a house of worship offensive, particularly when it's built next to a
virtual cemetery of the victims of that particular brand of worship.
Yet in 2005, CNN was willing to justify the actual destruction of a
house of worship because it's "offensive". What a difference 5 years
and a different religion makes.

But perhaps CNN could extend the same "sensitivity" they displayed for
the mobs of Gaza, to their fellow Americans, who might conceivably
view a mosque near Ground Zero as "a symbol of occupation". One that
would have to be taken away very sensitively. Perhaps all the way back
to Mecca. Sensitively, of course.

And this wasn't some sort of bizarre CNN fluke either. This is how
Reuters gleefully painted the scene: "Attacking symbols of the hated
Israeli occupation, youths set ablaze several of the synagogues". And
here's a lovely one from the London Telegraph: "The skies were yet to
be lit by the rising sun when the first flames from burning synagogues
could be seen, set alight by Palestinians incensed by years when the
Israeli army ruthlessly defended the settlements." It's amazing how
much poetry is called up from the journalistic soul at the sight of
burning synagogues. If you didn't know any better, you might actually
think they enjoyed seeing synagogues destroyed.

But of course that would be ridiculous. I mean just take a look at
this excitable chunk of prose from Ken Ellingwood and Laurie King:
"Many vented their fury over the occupation by laying waste to the
synagogues that Israeli authorities chose to leave standing. At the
Neve Dekalim synagogue, a hulking Star of David-shaped building
visible from miles away, a club-wielding crowd had descended by early
morning to smash every window and tear insulation from the walls and
ceilings." You get the feeling that Ken and Laurie would have been
just as excited to be up and about during Kristallnacht. And if Ken or
Laurie had decided to take a club to that hateful Star of David shaped
building, surely no one would have been too surprised.

But I direct your attention to more than just the purple prose. When
Ken and Laurie and CNN and Reuters and the Telegraph don't like
synagogues, then they're "hulking", destroying them becomes a matter
of "sensitively" "taking them down" and the synagogues have it coming,
because those damn Jews "chose to leave them standing."

It's clear that the media has no problem understanding resentment
toward a "House of Worship". As long as it's Muslim resentment toward
a non-Muslim house of worship.

The same blatant dishonesty and historical revisionism that was on
display when Muslims destroyed 26 Jewish synagogues in Gaza, was also
on display when Muslims destroyed 150 churches in Kosovo. Or the 170
Hindu temples destroyed in Kashmir in the last 20 years.

If a Koran falls into a toilet somewhere, it will be on the front page
of the New York Times. If a 100 churches or synagogues burn, look for
it somewhere on page A18, under the Grey Goose ad and just above a
story about nesting pelicans in Bangalore. Three paragraphs. No photo.

Today the same people who whitewashed, excused and even celebrated the
Muslim desecration and destruction of synagogues, churches and temples
are absolutely shocked that anyone would object to building a mosque
near Ground Zero. What kind of people would dare object to a house of
worship. I mean besides Muslims anyway. It's Un-American. And you know
what is American? Putting up a massive building dedicated to an
ideology of murder, where the ashes of its victims drifted on the cold
September wind.

That my friends is American. Not the "American" of George Washington
or Theodore Roosevelt or the firefighters and police officers who
somehow made it up a hundred stories to rescue people they had never
met. No, it's the "American" of Benedict Arnold, Norman Cousins and
the ACLU board of directors. And of course that great All-Time
Champion of Americanism, Barack Hussein Obama. Barry, who thinks the
Muslim call to prayer is the prettiest sound on earth. And the
Constitution is a dim buzz in his ear.

Just the Facts, Imam. Here 3,000 Americans were murdered. For working
in offices or visiting them. For being members of the NYPD or the PAPD
or the FDNY. For putting on a uniform or a suit. For living their
lives. And then the walls and floors and furniture around them burned.
The papers in their hands burned. Their bodies burned. The ashes
drifted down narrow streets. Streets where George Washington and his
men once passed to visit Fraunces Tavern and toward Broadway where the
Iranian hostages rode back in a ticker tape parade on their return.

Now the money that nourished their killers, will help erect a mosque.
A temple of death by the ashes of the dead. And the media is outraged
that we won't allow it. That we won't stand for it. The same media
that stood and grinned while Muslims burned synagogues, churches and
temples. That tells us that the Muslim terrorists who try to kill us
are not really Muslims. Just going through a midlife crisis, picked up
some PTSD from some bad coffee or was just having a bad day. Because
we are not equal. On their farm, some animals are more equal than
others. Some have the right to kill, others only have the right to be
killed. Some have the right to build houses of worship, others have
the right to build and to burn what others labor to build. Some have
the right to be offensive, others only the right to be silent.

The dead of 9/11 are silent now. Or rather they have been silenced. As
countless millions have before them were silenced. With flame and
sword. In mass graves and at spearpoint. Tortured and mutilated. Torn
apart with bombs. The dead cannot speak out against their murderers,
but we can. The dead cannot protest, but we can. It is our duty to
stand up and speak out. This is our place. Our land and our city.
These are the streets where they tried to kill us. These are the
streets where they will try again. To speak out is to defy those who
would kill us and claim our cities as their own. Who would build
monuments to their own victory over the ashes of our dead.

First they bomb. Now they occupy. We have lived through the bombing.
And now we rise to defy the occupation.


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POB 7352, Jerusalem 91072, Israel

Tel: 972-2-624-9887 Fax: 972-2-624-5380

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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2010, 02:07:36 PM »
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That's about something that's happening in Amsterdam, not here.

If we don't stand up as a nation and demand the PC lies and distortion stop, it is just a matter of time Anne, before that is us.

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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2010, 10:28:37 AM »
In case you both missed the second part of my first comment on the article......no. I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2010, 12:12:48 PM »
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In case you both missed the second part of my first comment on the article......no. I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.


I noticed -
Just providing more supportive input ;-)
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2010, 12:49:15 PM »
Islam is not the only murderous religion;


Deuteronomy 7:1-6 (New International Version)

Driving Out the Nations

 1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. [a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2010, 01:40:09 PM »
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Islam is not the only murderous religion;


Deuteronomy 7:1-6 (New International Version)

Driving Out the Nations

 1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. [a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

I can almost guarantee that the excuse will be that that was from the Old Testament and Jesus corrected it with the New Testament.  I could be wrong, but that's what I've been told numerous times when discussing this with other people.

That's why I maintain that ALL religions are dangerous.  They were developed for a couple of reasons....to explain the scary unexplainable and to control the peasants.

Religion is the opiate of the masses
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2010, 01:55:05 PM »
In today's world, Islam is much worse.. \ :poison:
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2010, 02:20:11 PM »
Islam is just the boogeyman of the current generation. When we were kids, Anne and Frod, it was the Russians. Seems like each generation of americans needs a boogeyman to keep them scared and supporting the establishment. Question: After all the hijackings back in the 70's why were cockpit doors never secured until after a disaster like 9/11 ? Its almost like somebody wanted that shit to happen. Hey frod, I have looked at the Pearl harbor thing closely as well. No question FDR knew an attack of some sort was coming. He had ensured it with his oil and metal embargo on the japs. Can't say that he knew specifically that they would hit hawaii, most figured they would hit us in the Phillipines. But the point is that FDR was willing to sacrifice alot of American lives to pull us into WW2. This was his agenda and he pursued it ruthlessly.
Seems like Bush did similar shit.
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2010, 02:42:40 PM »
What I think it boils down to is that war is profitable, for the government and their buddies like Halliburton.
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2010, 02:47:40 PM »
I don't think Muslims in all the attacks and people they killed have come anywhere near the murders committed by Catholicism or Christianity. They've got a long ways to go to catch up.
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2010, 02:51:06 PM »
Agreed
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Re: More Muslim Media Bullshit
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2010, 02:55:34 PM »
@ Buzz & Frod...so should we go back to the days of internment camps?
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