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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 02:33:47 PM »
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See what I mean? I can see umpteen directions for how this will get spun.And by a cast of several! Somebodys gonna whine about gun control....somebody will rebuke that....on and on, and the more opinion being played as fact there is the more of the truth will get lost.It never fails to amaze/disgust me. ::deadhorse::

Congresswoman Gifford has a pretty strong gun rights position.


Yeah, yeah....wikisource, I know.  Point about Gifford's stance on gun rights stands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_ ... Gun_rights
Gun rights

Giffords supports gun rights.[52] She opposed the Washington D.C. gun ban, signing an Amicus curiae brief with the U.S. Supreme Court to support its overturn.[52][53] She has a D+ rating from the NRA[54] and a D- from the GOA.[55]
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 02:36:22 PM »
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It amazes me how scared people are of Sarah Palin.

I think you're mistaking ridicule for fear.

No, i don't think so. It's more than ridicule. People are over-reacting to that map, saying it had to do with the shooting; the attempted spin that the media tried to put on that is beyond ludicrous... it's a classic example of fear-mongering, and it's sickening that people are FALLING FOR IT!!!
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 02:38:39 PM »
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It amazes me how scared people are of Sarah Palin.

I think you're mistaking ridicule for fear.

No, i don't think so. It's more than ridicule. People are over-reacting to that map, saying it had to do with the shooting; the attempted spin that the media tried to put on that is beyond ludicrous... it's a classic example of fear-mongering, and it's sickening that people are FALLING FOR IT!!!


Agreed, but I still don't fear Sarah Palin.  She's a freaking moron.  I pity those who've fallen for her schtick.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2011, 02:40:25 PM »
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Agreed, but I still don't fear Sarah Palin.  She's a freaking moron.

Well, good.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2011, 02:46:10 PM »
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Quote from: "seamus"
See what I mean? I can see umpteen directions for how this will get spun.And by a cast of several! Somebodys gonna whine about gun control....somebody will rebuke that....

Yup, A NY Rep. is already introducing a gun control bill in Congress.

Now that's just reactionary and stupid.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2011, 02:48:34 PM »
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Someone who can get us back on track and kick start the economy with jobs


http://www.truth-out.org/obama-created- ... eight66660

Yesterday morning, the Labor Department released its employment data for December, showing that the U.S. economy ended the year by adding 113,000 private sector jobs, knocking the unemployment rate down sharply from 9.8 percent to 9.4 percent — its lowest rate since July 2009. The “surprising drop — which was far better than the modest step-down economists had forecast — was the steepest one-month fall since 1998.” October and November’s jobs numbers were also revised upward by almost 80,000 each. Still, 14.5 million Americans remain unemployed, and jobs will have to be created much faster in coming months for the country to pull itself out of the economic doldrums.

Responding the jobs report, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) noted that President Obama and the Democratic Congress have created “more jobs in 2010 than President Bush did over eight years.”

Indeed, from February 2001, Bush’s first full month in office, through January 2009, his last, the economy added just 1 million jobs. By contrast, in 2010 alone, the economy added at least 1.1 million jobs. This chart, produced by Pelosi’s office, demonstrates the difference between the Bush administration and the Obama administration on jobs:

As the Wall Street Journal noted in the last month of Bush’s term, the former president had the “worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping records.” And job creation under Bush was anemic long before the recession began. Bush’s supply-side economics “fostered the weakest jobs and income growth in more than six decades,” along with “sluggish business investment and weak gross domestic product growth,” the Center for American Progress’ Joshua Picker explained. “On every major measurement” of income and employment, “the country lost ground during Bush’s two terms,” the National Journal’s Ron Brownstein observed, parsing Census data.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2011, 03:20:46 PM »
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I'm disappointed in a lot of things he's done (or rather, hasn't done), but ya gotta give credit where credit is due.


Your graph is just a small snap shot that does not contain the Bush years.

Unemployment (Below) is the problem that I would like to see addressed by the next president (after Obama leaves).  We need to get people back to work.






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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2011, 03:39:00 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

I'm disappointed in a lot of things he's done (or rather, hasn't done), but ya gotta give credit where credit is due.



Your graph is just a small snap shot that does not contain the Bush years.

Unemployment (Below) is the problem that I would like to see addressed by the next president (after Obama leaves).  We need to get people back to work.






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Sooo...that BIG RED BAR GRAPH labeled "Bush Administration" must cover the Reagan years or something, right?

Seriously, are you THAT stupid or just playing it up for the crowd?  I don't even care about this thread, but if you can't read the graph, then you ought to reserve comment, IMHO.  When you ask an idiot a question you should expect idiocy as the response.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2011, 03:45:53 PM »
I'll see if i can nail this one verbatim, from memory:

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Mark Twain
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2011, 03:48:06 PM »
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I'll see if i can nail this one verbatim, from memory:

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Mark Twain


Whooter: "That's funny, Frod, but your quote is just a snapshot and doesn't cover Mark Twain."

 :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2011, 03:54:47 PM »
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Sooo...that BIG RED BAR GRAPH labeled "Bush Administration" must cover the Reagan years or something, right?

Seriously, are you THAT stupid or just playing it up for the crowd?  I don't even care about this thread, but if you can't read the graph, then you ought to reserve comment, IMHO.  When you ask an idiot a question you should expect idiocy as the response.

They color it to fool people like you, DJ, who dont read.  The rest of us read the X and Y axis. The X-axis (Bottom of the graph) shows the time line.
If you remember back Bush Administration lasted 8 years.  The person that put the graph together decide only to include one of his years (to fool people like you)... lol



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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2011, 04:10:49 PM »
Equal samples of Bush and Obama are provided, dummy.  Notice where it says "Bush Administration" at the top.  you can't read too good, Whootie.  You're the "one in ten Americans" who is functionally illiterate.  The good news is you can learn to read.  The bad news is "you can't fix stupid," so you're stuck there.
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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2011, 04:11:20 PM »
Unemployment (Below) is the problem that I would like to see addressed by the next president (after Obama leaves).  We need to get people back to work.




Just looking at the unemployment figures shows us only part of the story.  There are many people who are out of work who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and therefore do not show up in the unemployment figures.



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Re: The Tea Party movement
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2011, 04:13:59 PM »
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Unemployment (Below) is the problem that I would like to see addressed by the next president (after Obama leaves).  We need to get people back to work.




Just looking at the unemployment figures shows us only part of the story.  There are many people who are out of work who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and therefore do not show up in the unemployment figures.



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But this graph doesn't show that either, dummy.  It shows people who used six months of unemployment benefits.  By now you should have heard that unemployment benefits have been available for 99 weeks (and more) for several years  (reference: "99ers" in case you need to educate yourself on the subject).

Like I said...you can't fix stupid, so you're out of luck there, champ.
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2011, 04:21:12 PM »
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But this graph doesn't show that either, dummy.

Of course it doesnt, DJ.  No one said it did.  Again you need to read the x- axis and the y- axis and try to understand what the graph is trying to convey.  You cant just rely on the colors.  This is what is tripping you up, DJ, no need to get angry at everyone else because of your mistakes.



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