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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2010, 03:50:38 AM »
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Withdraw from foreign entanglements, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, So. America and all the other 200+ foreign nations in which we are inappropriately, unconstitutionally involved.

That would make us safe.  For a while.  See.  Israel is the only western democracy in the region.  Women have full equality.  They serve in the military.  Even gays have full equality and serve in the military.  Muslims hate this.  It's like putting a gay bar up next to a church (or a mosque).  Well. You let the churchgoers burn down that gay bar, gain strength, and sooner or later they're going to expand and start burning down gay bars all over the world.  Israel is that persistent little gay bar.  Israel is the cork in the bottle.  Without Israel, Muslim fundamentalists would turn their full and undivided attention towards the west.  It's a lot cheaper in the long run to defend Israel than it is to deal with a worldwide Jihad.  Israel is a battleground in a proxy war between the west and Islam.  It's not a war we started but it's a war we can't afford to ignore or lose.

Ps: there is little if all in the constitution about foreign policy and even Jefferson refused to negotiate with Islam.  Jefferson himself thought very very little of Islam. He owned a Qur'an not because he admired the religion but because he wanted to understand his enemy (at the time Jizya (tribute) was being demanded of the United States, justified in the Qur'an)

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As Jefferson later reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
(basically condensing and paraphrasing Sura 9 of the Qur'an)

Appeasement was too expensive as they just kept asking more and more.  Our ultimate answer was to bomb the fuck out of them until they decided to neglect adhering to that part of the Qur'an.  Problem solved.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2010, 12:19:35 PM »
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Our ultimate answer was to bomb the fuck out of them until they decided to neglect adhering to that part of the Qur'an.  Problem solved.

"Our ultimate answer"?   Hasbaranik at work.  No posts related to the TTI, just propaganda related to Israel and the War on Terror.  The War on Terror, brought to you by the folks who gave you the War on Drugs.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2010, 01:21:53 PM »
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Our ultimate answer was to bomb the fuck out of them until they decided to neglect adhering to that part of the Qur'an.  Problem solved.

"Our ultimate answer"?   Hasbaranik at work.  No posts related to the TTI, just propaganda related to Israel and the War on Terror.  The War on Terror, brought to you by the folks who gave you the War on Drugs.

I am not a "Hasbaranik", not that it matters.  Quiz me on program knowledge and you'll find i'm a regular reader here.  This isn't a political issue.  I'm not a republican. I am not a Christian.  I don't support the war on terror as it's being waged and I never supported the war in Iraq.  Atheist liberals have more to fear than 'conservative' christians.  Atheists don't get the choice to become Dhimmi second class citizens.  For them it's the gallows or the mosque.

From where i'm standing you're acting like an Aarcolite program apologist.  Programs will spread if not opposed.  So will Islam.  Synanon was a fucked up cul that became a religion.  So was Islam.  Pretending either isn't a threat and treating the situation with half-measures and political correctness is what allows both ideologies to spread.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2010, 01:39:09 PM »
Nobody alleged that you were a Christian.  You're a propagandist.  Hasbaranik is a suitable term inasmuch as your propaganda is anti-Muslim and pro-Israeli.  You clearly read my posts, as borne out by your stereotypical comment about me being Canadian and Canadian hate speech policy.  A Hasbaranik by any other name would smell as sweet.  Here's an example of folks doing the same kind of work:
 
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... lavon.html

This article is entertaining as it presents a whole lot of information about a variety of subjects but never succinctly states the nature of the operation, which was to blow up US and British facilities and lay the blame on other people, all for the strategic benefit of Israel:
"These operations were to "make it clear to the whole world that Egypt's new rulers were nothing but a group of foolhardy extremists, unreliable and unworthy of taking charge of an asset as important as the Suez Canal. Furthermore, it was to be demonstrated that their grasp on power was uncertain, that they faced powerful internal opposition, and, consequently, they were unworthy of being counted upon as a dependable ally."
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2010, 02:48:37 PM »
Let's review:
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/11/e ... qiyya.html

and:
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/08/g ... osque.html

The Ground Zero Mosque
Wednesday, August 18

THERE ARE GOOD reasons to stop the proposed Ground Zero mosque. But what's the message people have gotten from the mainstream media? "Muslims killed people on 9/11, so Muslims should not be allowed to build a mosque so near to Ground Zero."

That's pretty lame. Part of the reason for this weak argument against the Ground Zero mosque is that the really good reasons for opposing it require some background knowledge about Islam — information too extensive to be packed into a sound bite. When the full argument gets squeezed into a sound bite, it is reduced to something embarrassingly pathetic.

For the sound bite to make any sense at all, you have to know quite a bit about Islam. But for someone who thinks Islam is simply another religion, similar to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, and that a small fringe of crazy extremists have hijacked the religion and committed atrocities in its name — atrocities that go against the foundational teachings of Islam, sullying the peaceful reputation of Islam — for someone with that understanding of Islam, the arguments against the Ground Zero mosque sound not just lame, but seem like an obviously weak excuse to be a hater, a bigoted Islamophobe, a redneck, an ignorant Bible-thumper, or just an intolerant jerk.

I don't believe people who think that way should be ignored. I think they should be debriefed. And I don't mean removing their underwear. I mean they should be brought up to speed about Islam. They know almost nothing about Islam, and what they think they know is getting in the way of them learning any more about it.

If we started from scratch to fill in the details represented by the sound bite, the full argument would go something like this:

Muslims killed people on 9/11 because mainstream Islam (represented by hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Middle East, Indonesia, and elsewhere) is at war with the non-Muslim world, and has been since the year 622. That's quite an indictment. Some would call it an "allegation." But it is nothing more than an historical and doctrinal fact. Well-educated orthodox Muslims would not take any offense at this fact. They would not consider it an allegation. In fact, they would take offense at the implication that this ought to be considered an allegation. It's just basic Islamic doctrine, believed in by hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world, confirmed and supported by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, confirmed by Islamic history, and given complete authority by the example of the Prophet Mohammad.

The fact is validated by the information in the Quran, the Sira, and the Hadith, which comprises the core Islamic doctrine. It is not disputed by any mainstream or accepted sect or school of Islam, and has never been disputed by any mainstream or widely popular leaders of Islam throughout its history.

It is simply a basic Islamic principle: Islam exists in a state of war with the non-Muslim world until the whole world follows the holy law of Allah. Read more about this principle here.

Yes, it is true that many Muslims do not subscribe to these teachings. Most of them do not subscribe because they don't know much about their own religion (see more about that here), which is our good fortune.

But those who have read the core Islamic doctrine and consider themselves Muslims (and this would include almost all Islamic leaders, imams, and Islamic scholars) understand perfectly well it is their religious duty to bring the whole world under Islamic law. This is the prime directive.

Mohammad did not believe in contemplating one's navel as a form of worship. He believed — and made it mandatory for all Muslims — that one proved one's devotion to Allah with action. And the most important action, according to Mohammad, is jihad. Jihad is not limited to warfare. Jihad means striving to bring the law of Allah to all people on earth, by using your wealth, your speech, your pen, your time, and your life — ideally by peaceful means, but by war if necessary.

According to mainstream (not fringe or extreme) Islamic doctrine, man made governments (like democracies) and man made laws are an abomination and a sin and should not be allowed to continue existing in the world. Political action is a religious duty to all Muslims — political action aimed at changing laws and governments to follow Sharia, the holy law of Allah.

All this information is easy to discover. It is not esoteric. It is not hidden. Every bookstore carries at least the Quran (and usually the Hadith and Sira) translated into English.

Okay, so what does this have to do with the Ground Zero mosque?

When non-Muslims think about building a house of worship, we think about a peaceful place where devout, believing people can commune with their creator. But in order to understand what a mosque is to Muslims, you have to understand the fundamentally political nature of Islam. Most of Islam is political. It is not a fringe part of Islam. It is the main part.

Mohammad's biography is one of the core doctrines of Islam. It is called the Sira. The amount of the Sira's text devoted to jihad is 67%. It says in the Quran — Islam's most holy book — that a Muslim should follow Mohammad's perfect example, and it hammers on this point, saying it 91 times in the Quran.

The practice of Islam is fundamentally political. Non-Muslims may think this is strange, but it is a normal, unremarkable fact to a Muslim. How can you believe in a creator who has given you the perfect formula for living (Sharia), and told you it is your duty to live that way and to bring the light of the holy law to all people, and still have some arbitrary division between "political" action and "religious" practice?

So a Muslim's conception of a mosque is entirely different from a Westerner's conception of a "house of worship," because their conception of "religion" is entirely different than a non-Muslim's. We should think of mosques the way Muslims think of mosques, rather than lay our own values over theirs, as if we understand their religion better than they do.

And their understanding is based firmly on the example of the Prophet. Mohammad used the mosque as a home-base where jihad was declared, where fatwas were made, where indoctrination took place, where raids and attacks were planned, where the planning and building of the Islamic State took place, where military orders were given, and where Mohammad gave his death sentences to the enemies of Islam. This is not "anti-Islam propaganda." This is history as understood and believed by Muslims. This is basic Islamic history. Read more about what mosques mean to Muslims.

This is not just interesting ancient history. Mosques are still put to these uses today.

In Islam, the mosque is the center of their religion, and in Islam religion is totally encompassing in a way non-Muslims can hardly imagine.

If the mosque at Ground Zero is built, it will be considered to be a triumphant symbol of the third jihad by most orthodox Muslims in the world. We may not like it, we may wish this wasn't the case, we may believe that our Muslim friend wouldn't see it that way (and we may be right about that), but most orthodox Muslims will see it this way. When you know a lot about Islam, this will be obvious.

But to understand the idea of "the third jihad," we need to go further back. There have been two major jihads in Islamic history, and mosques always played a central role. The first jihad was led by Mohammad himself. His small band of followers grew in his lifetime until all of Arabia was conquered and converted into an Islamic state. By force.

After his death, the second great jihad conquered most of the Middle East and North Africa, and into Europe, reaching as far as modern-day France. Europe and other parts of the world finally began to fight back effectively enough to stop Islam's spread. As Europeans and others gained in strength, Islam's advance was pushed back. Islam ruled Spain from 711 AD to 1492 AD. Europeans re-captured Spain from Islamic rule the same year Columbus discovered America, and Islam's political power in Europe was ended.

With the influx of new wealth from the freshly discovered New World, Europe gained greater military strength and confidence. The Middle East was eventually carved up, divided, and colonized by (mostly) European powers, and the danger of Islam's quest for world domination seemed to be over.

Then the combustion engine was invented and oil was discovered in the Middle East. Obscene amounts of money started flowing into the hands of devout Muslims. And for the last 80 years or so, Islam has been resurging. Orthodox (and heterodox) Muslims are immigrating into Europe and the Americas, and doing what they're supposed to do according to their sacred texts: Working to bring the holy law of Allah into the ignorant and decadent Western nations, by any means necessary. Violence is one possibility, but most orthodox Muslims now believe 9/11 was a tactical mistake. Arousing the anger of powerful Western nations is not the way to achieve victory.

Much more subtle ways must be found to convert the West to Sharia. And many ways are being found and successfully implemented. The Muslim Brotherhood, the largest Islamic organization in the world, stated in an internal document written in 1991 (seized in an FBI raid) that their mission in America was:

"...eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house..." Read more about that here.

The Muslim Brotherhood has established what appear to be legitimate, mainstream, moderate Muslim organizations (opulently funded with Saudi oil money) which have set themselves up as representatives of "the Muslim community" to approve or disapprove of what is in American textbooks, what is published in magazines, newspapers, and television news, and how Islam is portrayed in Hollywood movies. These organizations have been able to influence how the U.S. governmental security agencies think about and write about Islamic terrorism. They are successfully silencing criticism of Islam in the West. And in numerous other ways, believing Muslims are getting Islamic law applied in the West, and getting it applied more completely with each passing year.

But what does this have to do with mosques?

Historically, starting with Mohammad, the process of conquering and subjugating non-Muslims included building a mosque on top of the previous culture's representative house of worship. It is a strong symbol of the dominance of Islam. It tells everyone present — Muslims and non-Muslims alike — that a change has occurred, a new sheriff is in town, a new political order is in charge.

In the world today, you could make a very good case that the United States is the most powerful nation on earth, both militarily and economically. And since at least the 1980's, the United States has done more to prevent the Islamization of the world than any other nation. The U.S. is a barrier to the political goal of Islam.

The Twin Towers and the Pentagon were attacked because they were perceived by Muslims as being representatives of American power — America's money and America's military. They were symbols of core American values, according to Al-Qaeda. They were our shrines. They were our places of worship, or at least this is how Al-Qaeda perceived it.

So building a mosque as close as possible to the site of the complete collapse of America's house of worship is a symbolic act, an expression of dominance, a triumphal planting of the flag on foreign soil, and for non-Muslims who are educated about Islamic history and its core values, it is correctly seen as symbolically spitting on the enemy's grave.

In addition, according to the Muslim, Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, who testified before the U.S. State Department, 80 percent of mosques in America preach "extremist ideology." Coming from an entirely different source, the Mapping Sharia Project sent trained people into mosques in the U.S. to find out how many of them are calling for jihad against America. They discovered that the majority of the mosques they've investigated so far do, in fact, promote jihad against America, in the Friday "sermons" (known as "khutbah") and in the literature available at the mosques.

Saudi Arabia's oil wealth enables it to control around 90% of the world's Islamic institutions (source), and the Saudis promote hardcore, fundamentalist Islam. They pay for these mosques because it gives them control over what is taught and promoted at the mosques. Read more about this.

If you understand all this, you can see it is not only symbolically offensive to allow a triumphalist mosque to be built almost on the site of 9/11, it is strategically foolish. It means allowing another mosque to be planted on American soil which will function as a kind of forward base of operations in enemy land, and which will, in all probability (given the high percentages just outlined) allow orthodox Muslims to reach more people and do more of their "good works" of bringing Islamic law to America.

Because the percentage of Muslims is much higher in Europe than in the United States, Europe is further along in the process of becoming "Islamized." It's hard to believe, but European laws are giving way to Islamic law. Muslim pressure continues to find cracks, and it works its way in. For example, all over Europe, the right to free speech is giving way to Sharia's limits on free speech (source 1 and source 2). Belgium, Germany and Britain offer benefits to polygamists' wives, even though polygamy is illegal there (source). Schools in Amsterdam don't mention farms because pigs are offensive to Muslims. "Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In France, school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity (source)."

France is allowing Muslims to rule parts of their country (source). Britain allows unfair treatment of Muslim women (source). Muslim doctors in Britain don't have to follow the same rules of cleanliness as everyone else (source). Britain knowingly tolerates sedition by Muslims (source). Britain allows over 80 Sharia courts to operate within their borders (source). In these and many, many other ways (source), the laws, values, and principles of Western civilization are giving way slowly but surely to unceasing Islamic pressure.

With this new understanding of Islamic history, Islamic doctrine, Islamic current events, and the role and function of mosques in Islam, the original sound bite makes a lot more sense: We don't want the Ground Zero mosque to be built because "Muslims killed people on 9/11 and Muslims should not be allowed to build a mosque so near to Ground Zero."
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Andrea 8:31 PM  

    Excellent article! This article explains it all. It is so important to understand what Islam truly is; its history, its way of thinking; its current agenda. You are correct to say the masses think they understand Islam. And that we need to debrief the masses and get them up to speed. The problem is this: How do we effectively get these people to realize that they really do not know what Islam is about. Since they think they know , they do not want to listen. I have been called a racist, and religious intolerant too many times to mention when I try to educate people. I'm very frustrated.

    Thank you for your work and your your brilliant writings. You give me hope.
Citizen Warrior 8:55 PM  

    "How do we effectively get these people to realize that they really do not know what Islam is about?"

    That's a good question, Andrea.

    What has worked best for me personally is asking someone if they've read the Quran, and then focusing exclusively on convincing them they MUST read it, and in the process, telling them all about it and how interesting it is: how it was written, how the nature of the revelations changed, what abrogation is and how it works, and all about the books An Abridged Koran and A Simple Koran and why those are the ones they should read.

    This is an extremely effective approach. Read more about it here:

    Push Them to Read the Quran

    And when they interrupt you to object to something you say, answer back with one of these:

    Answers to Objections
Damien 10:05 PM  

    Citizen Warrior,

    You're correct about the danger of using sound bytes, especially that one. It isn't so much that the people who attacked us on 9/11 happened to be Muslims, they attacked us because, they genuinely believed what is written in their holy text. To expect a Muslim fundamentalist to not support things like Sharia Law and the conquest of Infidels, would be like a expecting a Christian fundamentalist to not believe in a literal six day creation, Noah's Flood and Jesus being the only way into heaven.

    Now of course, not all Muslims, will literally believe what's written in their holy books, but large numbers of them do. It is possible that in addition to those who are ignorant of Its hateful violent teachings, some non fundamentalist Muslims will try to explain away or just ignore the really nasty parts of the Koran and the Siras and Hadiths. Its not even the fact that it is a Mosque no matter what they choose to call it, that's really important. Its that we know that the person behind it, is a Sharia Loving fundamentalist, (or as you would call him, Orthodox Muslim) and that Muslim Jihadists around the world will view it as a victory shrine like you said. Its also possible and highly likely that if it is built it will fund terrorist activities, unlike a lot of people in the Mainstream Media, like Keith Olbermann believe. Unfortunately, apparently youtube user Chattiestspike2, who I respect, agrees with him as well since he favorited this video.

    Ground Zero Mosque Haters K.O.'d

    They are definitively wrong to think that opposition to the Mosque is based on bigotry. I wish that someone like you, or Robert Spencer could have been there to refute what he got wrong. Also, while Olbermann's claim that there have been hate crimes agianst Muslims in the U.S is probably true, his claim that you are more likely to experience a terrorist attack if you are a Muslim in America is probably false. He does not provide a source for that statistic.
Damien 10:09 PM  

    Citizen Warrior,

    By the way, you need to provide a source link for this.

    "Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils...In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity (source)."

    You wrote the word source, and put it in parenthesis, but you forget to turn it into a link in this one instance for some reason. Sorry to have to tell you that.
Citizen Warrior 10:14 PM  

    Unfortunately, Damien, some of the opposition to the Ground Zero mosque IS based on bigotry.

    I would agree, however, that MOST of the people who oppose the mosque are not bigots. They are simply informed about Islam. Opposition to the mosque comes naturally once people learn a bit about basic Islamic doctrine.
Citizen Warrior 10:19 PM  

    About the missing link: I checked it on my computer, and the link works just fine. But in case it doesn't work for anyone else, the link goes to a speech by Geert Wilders:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/ameri ... nding.html

    Wilders gives many more examples in the speech.
Besur 10:33 PM  

    Excellent summary Citizen Warrior. I have bookmarked it on my youtube profile. More strength to you!
Damien 10:38 PM  

    Citizen Warrior,

    Thanks, for some reason it wasn't even appearing as a link for me when I clicked on "show the original post." It was just appearing as normal text.
Damien 11:43 PM  

    Citizen Warrior,

    You know, maybe its time for a change of tactics, at least in this one instance. Maybe our primary focus should be on the nature of people behind the Ground Zero Mosque in particular.

    The Mosque at Ground Zero: Who Is Behind It?

    Than maybe a lot of the people who once saw it as bigotry to oppose it, might suddenly see the Ground Zero Mosque as something more akin to a church run by the Aryan Nations next to Auschwitz.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2010, 05:18:07 PM »
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http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins/index.html

"A viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media machine: How it all went down"

"A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center..."

Why do they have to make this a political issue when it isn't?  I don't think "progressive" is supposed to mean "tolerating the intolerant people who, yes, really do want to kill you".

Do they mention that the source of funding for the mosques is unknown?  Ask Britain how they're doing with their Saudi funded mosques preaching Wahhabism.  Undercover video reveals Imams in Saudi funded mosques preaching to bide time until Muslims gain enough strength to take over Britain.  How about Imams who preach that Gays should be thrown off high mountains (command comes from Muhammad).  Even Westboro Baptist leaves that to God.  These lunatics would really do it if given enough power.  See Iran if you don't believe me.  Do they mention that the leader of this proposed Ground Zero mosque refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization?
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2010, 06:36:36 PM »
Back to you, Hasbaranik.  You're an Israeli propagandist.  It doesn't get much more political than that.    
"IslamIsViolent wrote:
 Our ultimate answer was to bomb the fuck out of them until they decided to neglect adhering to that part of the Qur'an. Problem solved."

I do not care if "programs" spread over the face of the earth.  I do not object whatsoever to people's beliefs with regard to any of these programs, and I do not care to violate their rights in order to shut down or stop the spread of these programs.  My interest is in the presentation of empirical evidence with regard to violations of people's rights by the particular entity in the city where I live, and prompting a response to these violations by the appropriate authority.  If they don't break the law and violate the basic rights and freedoms of Canadians, they can follow whatever creed they wish.

You've got a political agenda, and you attempt to manipulate people.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »
Three hundred and fifty men died going in to burning buildings. They knew they might die. They did so because they were paid to, trained to do so, because they thought they could help( and they did) And because they thought it right. At the cost of their lives. That is the american character, plainly, simply. In saudi; arabia religious police beat back girls who were trying to fllee a school fire. several died.
You choose which you want.J.O.M.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2010, 06:52:56 PM »
So the choice is to run into a burning building in Manhattan or beat on some girls in a fire in Saudi Arabia?  I don't see either one on my agenda today.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2010, 05:35:36 PM »
Ajax13: ( is that the designation of your cyber-unit ?) Tell us.
Tell us about 'Taquiya'. Tell us about the 100 million financing for your mosque at ground zero. Tell us about the history of Cordoba, and how well the jews and christians fared there under Dhimmitude. Tell us about how what is haram under shari'a is halal in a foreign state, AS LONG AS THE INTENT IS TO DECEIVE THE INFIDEL. Tell us why there would be an 'aid- flotilla' for gaza, bound not for the accepted port, but a different one, while there is no aid for darfur. Tell us why the U.S. Marines are flying food and refugees in Pakistan, while Pak muslims bomb each other. Tell us why, if in the quran it speaks to charity , for muslims only, I might add, did Saudi Arabia give 10 million to the sufferers of the Tsunami in Indonesia, while U.S. private citizens donated 170 million, and the U.S Gov't more than twice that. Don't you care about your Umma? Your Muslim Brothers? Tell Us. Tell us why. Maybe then the Truly Ignorant will understand what you are, what you mean. Tell us about the plan to detonate in Amman, estimated kill 20'000 people. Aren't Muslims given to mercy and PEACE? Tell us about the 100 artillery shells my buddy unearthed, loaded with VX. Each shell , maximum kill yield 10'000 ( that's abso-max.Weather is a tricky thing, but thanks for trying)  Ajax, I hope to see you one day, ( in cross-hair) Tell me about Mo' What he did who he was, yeah tell me about that. tell Me about how the earliest known copy of your holy, solely only Quran, un changeable and un changing, is a palimpsest. ( look it up, putz!) tell Us.
J.O.M.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2010, 06:02:54 PM »
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Ajax13: ( is that the designation of your cyber-unit ?) Tell us.
Tell us about 'Taquiya'. Tell us about the 100 million financing for your mosque at ground zero. Tell us about the history of Cordoba, and how well the jews and christians fared there under Dhimmitude. Tell us about how what is haram under shari'a is halal in a foreign state, AS LONG AS THE INTENT IS TO DECEIVE THE INFIDEL. Tell us why there would be an 'aid- flotilla' for gaza, bound not for the accepted port, but a different one, while there is no aid for darfur. Tell us why the U.S. Marines are flying food and refugees in Pakistan, while Pak muslims bomb each other. Tell us why, if in the quran it speaks to charity , for muslims only, I might add, did Saudi Arabia give 10 million to the sufferers of the Tsunami in Indonesia, while U.S. private citizens donated 170 million, and the U.S Gov't more than twice that. Don't you care about your Umma? Your Muslim Brothers? Tell Us. Tell us why. Maybe then the Truly Ignorant will understand what you are, what you mean. Tell us about the plan to detonate in Amman, estimated kill 20'000 people. Aren't Muslims given to mercy and PEACE? Tell us about the 100 artillery shells my buddy unearthed, loaded with VX. Each shell , maximum kill yield 10'000 ( that's abso-max.Weather is a tricky thing, but thanks for trying)  Ajax, I hope to see you one day, ( in cross-hair) Tell me about Mo' What he did who he was, yeah tell me about that. tell Me about how the earliest known copy of your holy, solely only Quran, un changeable and un changing, is a palimpsest. ( look it up, putz!) tell Us.
J.O.M.
I would not waste my time arguing with ignorant assholes who talk about others belief systems.
UNLESS I WAS COURT ORDERED TO TAKE BULLSHIT!
I WOULD BURY THEM IN PAPERWORK FOREVER! (and more)
OBVIOUSLY THE ELITE RULE AND ALWAYS WILL.... :poison:
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2010, 07:11:11 PM »
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Ajax13: ( is that the designation of your cyber-unit ?) Tell us.
Tell us about 'Taquiya'. Tell us about the 100 million financing for your mosque at ground zero. Tell us about the history of Cordoba, and how well the jews and christians fared there under Dhimmitude. Tell us about how what is haram under shari'a is halal in a foreign state, AS LONG AS THE INTENT IS TO DECEIVE THE INFIDEL. Tell us why there would be an 'aid- flotilla' for gaza, bound not for the accepted port, but a different one, while there is no aid for darfur. Tell us why the U.S. Marines are flying food and refugees in Pakistan, while Pak muslims bomb each other. Tell us why, if in the quran it speaks to charity , for muslims only, I might add, did Saudi Arabia give 10 million to the sufferers of the Tsunami in Indonesia, while U.S. private citizens donated 170 million, and the U.S Gov't more than twice that. Don't you care about your Umma? Your Muslim Brothers? Tell Us. Tell us why. Maybe then the Truly Ignorant will understand what you are, what you mean. Tell us about the plan to detonate in Amman, estimated kill 20'000 people. Aren't Muslims given to mercy and PEACE? Tell us about the 100 artillery shells my buddy unearthed, loaded with VX. Each shell , maximum kill yield 10'000 ( that's abso-max.Weather is a tricky thing, but thanks for trying)  Ajax, I hope to see you one day, ( in cross-hair) Tell me about Mo' What he did who he was, yeah tell me about that. tell Me about how the earliest known copy of your holy, solely only Quran, un changeable and un changing, is a palimpsest. ( look it up, putz!) tell Us.
J.O.M.
I would not waste my time arguing with ignorant assholes who talk about others belief systems.
UNLESS I WAS COURT ORDERED TO TAKE BULLSHIT!
I WOULD BURY THEM IN PAPERWORK FOREVER! (and more)
OBVIOUSLY THE ELITE RULE AND ALWAYS WILL.... :poison:


What is wrong with discussing a persons belief system? When did that become off-limits?

Can we discuss Cannibals?

I'm against that.

Although I'd rather invite cannibals into this country than Muslims.

Cannibals are actually very peaceful. It's only the radical cannibals that actually eat human flesh... moderates just trade recipes.
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