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A Concise Observation
« on: August 02, 2010, 02:58:58 PM »
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.  It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool.  It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
 

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 11:39:48 PM »
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.  It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool.  It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
 

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Well Frodie I must admit, "I am one of those fools". I am not convinced he is taking us completely down the wrong road but I also voted for George Bush twice because AL Gore I just wanted gone and John Kerry lost his balls in the "ketchup jar".
So what the hell do I know. "2012" = RON PAUL, that's what I know.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2010, 11:23:47 AM »
While I would say the sentiment expressed is harsh, I do share the same concerns.

 I really can't get over so many people being willing to vote for a man who has the kind of history and associations he has. Rather than blaming those who voted for him, I blame the media who lied and covered and cooed all to his benefit. It is inexcusable and they should be shunned by the American public for this gross failing of their responsibility to report truthfully and faithfully with minimal bias.  

That said, dispute the near total media black-out,  a lot of people who were fully aware of the serious issues swirling around the man's (in) ability to govern and his very disturbing associations and personal history, as well as his extensive and expensive efforts to keep huge chunks of his history hidden - voted for him anyway. Any ONE of the multiple issues in any other candidate would have made them hopelessly unelectable.  It does worry me that such a man could even be put up as a candidate, much less win the office.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2010, 12:38:44 PM »
Everyone wants to talk about O'bama's associations, well I will speak of two that I have no problem with.
 
The Reverend Wright, this I will say. If I was a young black boy growing up in southern Mississippi during the 30's and 40's and into the 50's then I would be able to understand Rev. Wrights anger at white people and the Govt. I am not black and I did not grow up in the south as a white boy. I did grow up in Boston as a young white Irish kid (50%Irish/50%German) from 1962 till 1972, anyone who grew up in Boston can relate to the bigotry and hate that went on between the blacks and whites in the southie region of Boston, cumulating into the busings (Hyde Park) riots 1974 and into 1975.
My Dad moved us out of Massachusetts and into rural Rhode Island before the riots started.
Reverend Wright, is a angry racist black man that is really only hurting himself in the end. I will say this, I am very grateful I don't have to visit his dreams at night of his childhood. Hangings, burnings, rapings, desegregation and the common practice of, "if your black use the other door". These connotations whites subjected blacks to, take centuries to over come as we can see.
Well, that is so long that it stops....

O'Bama was elected, "they", wanted him President. Move on. Who's "they", I would probably be killed if I knew.
Bush and his team outed Valerie Flame (CIA) and all the folks talking with her in pictures, they shamed John McCann and John Kerry's war records and Bush and his team never served actively, not one fucking nano second, they tapped into phone conversations without prior AG, approval..and on and on.
Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Nixon, Ford, Eisinhower....the list goes on. If "they" want you to be President you will be President, bottom line.

"The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home".
Folks I have not one problem at all with this man, "Bill Ayers" or the fact that Obama has ties to him. One hope I have though is we never return to the bloody decade of 1963 -1975. It culminated in the National Guard assassinating 4 young adults at Kent State. Then we had 1968 Democratic Convention where you saw Vietnam Vets. in wheelchairs being hurling down steps by law enforcement, 2 Kennedys, Martin Luther King, Carpet Bombing civilians and troops that possessed no threat to the USA in Vietnam and Cambodia, millions were slaughtered. (I stood 2 miles away from a 500lbs. bomb dropped and felt the noise and impact, the ground moved) now imagine 10,000 (five hundred pound bombs) being dropped all around your village. WTF.....
Bill was fighting against the "all powerful American Govt" and there hench men. I will not get into a long drawn out written speech about Bill Ayers but I will say this, he is just as American as are Revolutionary ancestors.
Folks should read a little about Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright.
O'bama is black, I say that he is black because he calls himself black. Just being black in this country will conjure up all kind of fears for white folk in this country.

Ya know what Frodie, I'd rather act foolish and elect a "Prince" who can be foolish at times then have a President for eight years who left us without a doubt that he was a "fool". Your assessment of O'Bama is as clouded as your assessment of your last foolish leader.
Buzz, still not sure what ax you have to grind against O'bama, his entire Presidency has been about putting out fires. Sorry he is not a expert at this. There has been very little time for initiatives to happen.
O"bama will no doubt probably be a one termer but you better be ready for your next choice, which starts next year in earnest.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2010, 01:32:25 PM »
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Everyone wants to talk about O'bama's associations, well I will speak of two that I have no problem with.
 
The Reverend Wright, this I will say. If I was a young black boy growing up in southern Mississippi during the 30's and 40's and into the 50's then I would be able to understand Rev. Wrights anger at white people and the Govt. I am not black and I did not grow up in the south as a white boy. I did grow up in Boston as a young white Irish kid (50%Irish/50%German) from 1962 till 1972, anyone who grew up in Boston can relate to the bigotry and hate that went on between the blacks and whites in the southie region of Boston, cumulating into the busings (Hyde Park) riots 1974 and into 1975.
My Dad moved us out of Massachusetts and into rural Rhode Island before the riots started.
Reverend Wright, is a angry racist black man that is really only hurting himself in the end. I will say this, I am very grateful I don't have to visit his dreams at night of his childhood. Hangings, burnings, rapings, desegregation and the common practice of, "if your black use the other door". These connotations whites subjected blacks to, take centuries to over come as we can see.
Well, that is so long that it stops....

O'Bama was elected, "they", wanted him President. Move on. Who's "they", I would probably be killed if I knew.
Bush and his team outed Valerie Flame (CIA) and all the folks talking with her in pictures, they shamed John McCann and John Kerry's war records and Bush and his team never served actively, 1 fucking nano second, they tapped into phone conversations without prior AG, approval..and on and on.
Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Nixon, Ford, Eisinhower....the list goes on. If "they" want you to be President you will be President, bottom line.

"The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home".
Folks I have not one problem at all with this man, "Bill Ayers" or the fact that Obama has ties to him. One hope I have though is we never return to the bloody decade of 1963 -1975. It culminated in the National Guard assassinating 4 young adults at Kent State. Then we had 1968 Democratic Convention where you saw Vietnam Vets. in wheelchairs being hurling down steps by law enforcement, 2 Kenndys, Martin Luther King, Carpet Bombing civilians and troops that possessed no threat to the USA in Vietnam and Cambodia millions were slaughtered. (I stood 2 miles away from a 500lbs. bomb dropped and felt the noise and impact, the ground moved) now imagine 10,000 five hundred pound bombs being dropped all around your village. WTF.....
Bill was fighting against the "all powerful American Govt" and there hench men. I will not get into a long drawn out written speech about Bill Ayers but I will say this, he is just as American as are Revolutionary ancestors.
Folks should read a little about Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright.
O'bama is black, I say that he is black because he calls himself black. Just being black in this country will conjure up all kind of fears for white folk in this country.

Ya know what Frodie, I'd rather act foolish and elect a "Prince" who can be foolish at times then have a President for eight years who left us without a doubt that he was a "fool". Your assessment of O'Bama is as clouded as your assessment of your last foolish leader.
Buzz, still not sure what ax you have to grind against O'bama, his entire Presidency has been about putting out fires. Sorry he is not a expert at this. There has been very little time for initiatives to happen.
O"bama will no doubt probably be a one termer but you better be ready for your next choice, which starts next year in earnest.



None of that matters anymore. Obama won the election, why do his prior associations matter?
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2010, 02:42:52 PM »
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Everyone wants to talk about O'bama's associations, well I will speak of two that I have no problem with.
 
The Reverend Wright, this I will say. If I was a young black boy growing up in southern Mississippi during the 30's and 40's and into the 50's then I would be able to understand Rev. Wrights anger at white people and the Govt. I am not black and I did not grow up in the south as a white boy. I did grow up in Boston as a young white Irish kid (50%Irish/50%German) from 1962 till 1972, anyone who grew up in Boston can relate to the bigotry and hate that went on between the blacks and whites in the southie region of Boston, cumulating into the busings (Hyde Park) riots 1974 and into 1975.
My Dad moved us out of Massachusetts and into rural Rhode Island before the riots started.
Reverend Wright, is a angry racist black man that is really only hurting himself in the end. I will say this, I am very grateful I don't have to visit his dreams at night of his childhood. Hangings, burnings, rapings, desegregation and the common practice of, "if your black use the other door". These connotations whites subjected blacks to, take centuries to over come as we can see.
Well, that is so long that it stops....

O'Bama was elected, "they", wanted him President. Move on. Who's "they", I would probably be killed if I knew.
Bush and his team outed Valerie Flame (CIA) and all the folks talking with her in pictures, they shamed John McCann and John Kerry's war records and Bush and his team never served actively, 1 fucking nano second, they tapped into phone conversations without prior AG, approval..and on and on.
Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Nixon, Ford, Eisinhower....the list goes on. If "they" want you to be President you will be President, bottom line.

"The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home".
Folks I have not one problem at all with this man, "Bill Ayers" or the fact that Obama has ties to him. One hope I have though is we never return to the bloody decade of 1963 -1975. It culminated in the National Guard assassinating 4 young adults at Kent State. Then we had 1968 Democratic Convention where you saw Vietnam Vets. in wheelchairs being hurling down steps by law enforcement, 2 Kenndys, Martin Luther King, Carpet Bombing civilians and troops that possessed no threat to the USA in Vietnam and Cambodia millions were slaughtered. (I stood 2 miles away from a 500lbs. bomb dropped and felt the noise and impact, the ground moved) now imagine 10,000 five hundred pound bombs being dropped all around your village. WTF.....
Bill was fighting against the "all powerful American Govt" and there hench men. I will not get into a long drawn out written speech about Bill Ayers but I will say this, he is just as American as are Revolutionary ancestors.
Folks should read a little about Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright.
O'bama is black, I say that he is black because he calls himself black. Just being black in this country will conjure up all kind of fears for white folk in this country.

Ya know what Frodie, I'd rather act foolish and elect a "Prince" who can be foolish at times then have a President for eight years who left us without a doubt that he was a "fool". Your assessment of O'Bama is as clouded as your assessment of your last foolish leader.
Buzz, still not sure what ax you have to grind against O'bama, his entire Presidency has been about putting out fires. Sorry he is not a expert at this. There has been very little time for initiatives to happen.
O"bama will no doubt probably be a one termer but you better be ready for your next choice, which starts next year in earnest.



None of that matters anymore. Obama won the election, why do his prior associations matter?
 

Of course it matters, everything concerning O'Bama matters at this point. His prior associations matter because it tells you a lot about his attitude, beliefs, ideals, his morality (not someone else, his), and last his convictions. This was not just about O'Bama becoming President it was more about the first, "Black President" of America or any western Government. The first black leader of a major super power. The ramifications of having the first black leader of America.
Stonewall it did not end with O'Bama becoming elected and I can only hope and pray it just got started.
I am under no illusion O'Bama is not part of the problem with America, I think with have approximatively 576 problems that need to be changed in Washington and they can take there health plans and retirement plans (that they gave themselves) with them.
I do believe though if we can elect a black president then we can definitely do other things just as controversial.
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"If you're not part of the solution , then you're part of the problem".
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"If you're not part of the solution , then you're part of the problem".
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John Sinclair

Is he related to author Upton Sinclair, "The Jungle", meatpacking horrors in Chicago during the 20's.
If so, Upton, was part of the solution.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sinclair_(poet)

If I wanted to look it up I would not of asked you. Jesus, can't you follow any directions. I yield to you good homage to follow my orders, at least, "act as if".
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Sorry , I didn't want to give  wrong info. I guess I should have copied and pasted his bio like everybody else does.
Besides I did think you knew who he was. Calm down.




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John SinclairJohn Sinclair (born October 2, 1941 in Flint, Michigan, United States) is a Detroit poet, one-time manager of the band MC5, and leader of the White Panther Party — a militantly anti-racist countercultural group of white socialists seeking to assist the Black Panthers in the Civil Rights movement — from November 1968 to July 1969. John attended the Flint College of the University of Michigan, now the University of Michigan-Flint. During his time at UM-Flint John served on the university's Publications Board, school newspaper "the word", and was the president of the Cinema Guild. He graduated in 1964. [1]

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1 1960s activism
2 Involvement with the MC5
3 Arrest and imprisonment
4 Performances, writing and poetry
5 References
6 External links
 

[edit] 1960s activism
Sinclair was involved in the reorganization of the Detroit underground newspaper, Fifth Estate, during the paper's growth in the late 1960s. Fifth Estate continues to publish to this day, making it one of the longest continuously published alternative periodicals in the United States. Sinclair also contributed to the formation of Detroit Artists Workshop Press, which published five issues of Work magazine. John worked as a jazz writer for Downbeat Magazine from 1964 to 1965 being an outspoken advocate for the newly emerging Free Jazz Avant Garde movement.

[edit] Involvement with the MC5
Sinclair managed the hard-edged proto-punk MC5 from 1966 though 1969. Under his guidance the band embraced the counter-culture revolutionary politics of the White Panther Party, founded in answer to the Black Panthers' call for white people to support their movement.[2] During this period, Sinclair booked "The Five" as the regular house band at Detroit's famed Grande Ballroom in what came to be known as the "Kick out the Jams" shows. He was managing the MC5 at the time of their free concert outside the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. The band was the only group to perform before baton-wielding police broke up the massive anti-Vietnam war rally, calling it a riot. Eventually, the MC5 came to find Sinclair's politics too heavy-handed. He and the band went their separate ways in 1969[1] but they are still friends and he has spoken at their recent reunion concerts, including Massive Attack's 2008 Meltdown at London's South Bank.

[edit] Arrest and imprisonment
After a series of convictions for possession of marijuana, Sinclair was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 1969 after giving two joints of marijuana to an undercover narcotics officer.[3] This sentence inspired Abbie Hoffman to jump on the stage during The Who's performance at Woodstock to protest. It also sparked the landmark "Free John Now Rally" at Ann Arbor's Crisler Arena in December 1971. The event brought together a who's who of left-wing luminaries, including pop musicians John Lennon (who recorded the song, "John Sinclair" on his Some Time in New York City album), Yoko Ono, David Peel, Stevie Wonder, Phil Ochs and Bob Seger, jazz artists Archie Shepp and Roswell Rudd, and speakers Allen Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman, Rennie Davis, David Dellinger, Jerry Rubin, and Bobby Seale.[4][5] Three days after the rally, Sinclair was released from prison when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the state's marijuana statutes were unconstitutional. These events inspired the creation of Ann Arbor’s annual pro-legalization Hash Bash rally, which continues to be held as of 2010, and contributed to the drive for decriminalization of marijuana under the Ann Arbor city charter (see Marijuana laws in Ann Arbor, Michigan).

[edit] Performances, writing and poetry
 This article or section reads like a news release, or is otherwise written in an overly promotional tone. Please help by either rewrite this article from a neutral point of view or by moving to Wikinews. When appropriate, blatant advertising may be marked for speedy deletion with {{db-spam}}. (April 2009)

Since the mid-1990's John has performed and recorded his spoken word pieces with his band "The Blues Scholars" which has included many members including Wayne Kramer, Brock Avery, Charles Moore, Doug Lunn, Paul Ill, amongst many others.

On March 22, 2006, John Sinclair joined The Black Crowes on stage at the Paradiso in Amsterdam, and read his poem "Monk In Orbit" during the instrumental break in the song "Nonfiction".[6] Two days later, he went back onstage at the Black Crowes show in the Paradiso, reading his poem "Fat Boy" during the long instrumental jam following the Black Crowes' song, "How Much For Your Wings?".[7]

On Saturday 17 May 2008 John Sinclair performed 3 poems as part of the 100th weekly improvisation online video, with in London.[8]

In 2008, John Sinclair became editor-in-chief on the apolitical anthology series Headpress from the independent publishing house Headpress, a collaboration that continues with It's All Good: A John Sinclair Reader + CD, and live appearances and events.[citation needed]

On 20 January 2009, to mark Barack Obama's inauguration as the 44th President of the USA, Sinclair performed a series of his poems accompanied by a live band, featuring Elliott Levin, Tony Bianco and Jair-Rohm Parker Wells at Cafe OTO in Dalston, East London.[9]

A day later, on 21 January 2009, he returned to the weekly improvisation to take part in yr3wk32 (the 3rd year, the 32nd week) online video with in London.

On March 12, 2009, he performed two pieces - including The Delta Sound - at The Oval Tavern, Croydon; backed by Charles Shaar Murray on guitar and Bill Smith on harmonica.[10]

On April 15, 2009, John played a show to launch his new book It's All Good at Filthy Macnasty's Whiskey Cafe in Islington. Accompanying him were Charles Shaar Murray, Gary Laminn and Buffalo Bill Smith on Harmonica.

In September and October 2009, John Sinclair had two surgeries in Detroit, MI USA to repair a hammer toe problem. He plans to return to Europe in November after recovering.

As of late November 2009, John is serving as "High Priest" at the 22nd Annual Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.

[edit] References
^ University of Michigan-Flint Yearbook 1964
^ Kaya Burgess (2009-01-21). "Obama's inauguration hailed by White Panther founder John Sinclair". The Times (London). http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 558140.ece. Retrieved 2009-01-21.  
^ Cadogan, Patrick (2008). The Revolutionary Artist: John Lennon's Radical Years. Lulu. ISBN 978-1-4357-1863-0.  
^ Agis Salpukas, "15,000 Attend Michigan U. Rally to Protest Jailing of Radical Poet," New York Times, 12 December 1971, p. 76.
^ Barrett, Jane (1971-12-16), "John Sinclair: The Rally and the Release", Village Voice, http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mF ... 76,5754947, retrieved 2010-02-14  
^ http://www.crowesbase.com/tapelisting.cfm?TapeID=1813
^ http://www.crowesbase.com/tapelisting.cfm?TapeID=1815
^ CMSounds news item may 2008 CMSounds
^ http://www.cafeoto.co.uk/programme/JOHNSINCLAIR.shtm
^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81MQc4NghEA
[edit] External links
John Sinclair's Radio Free Amsterdam
The Official John Sinclair Website
John Sinclair TV
The Official John Sinclair Myspace Page
"Marijuana Revolution" by John Sinclair
John Sinclair on Arborwiki
John Sinclair on Headpress
John Sinclair Interview
Interview with John Sinclair by Jarrod Dicker
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 03:16:48 PM »
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Sorry , I didn't want to give  wrong info. I guess I should have copied and pasted his bio like everybody else does.
Besides I did think you knew who he was. Calm down.

I do know who John Sinclair is, I happen to love his poems. I just thought I would ask you if you knew if he was related to, Upton.
Sorry, I was just joshing with ya....bad sense of humor, I guess.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2010, 02:48:46 PM »
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Everyone wants to talk about O'bama's associations, well I will speak of two that I have no problem with.
 
The Reverend Wright, this I will say. If I was a young black boy growing up in southern Mississippi during the 30's and 40's and into the 50's then I would be able to understand Rev. Wrights anger at white people and the Govt. I am not black and I did not grow up in the south as a white boy. I did grow up in Boston as a young white Irish kid (50%Irish/50%German) from 1962 till 1972, anyone who grew up in Boston can relate to the bigotry and hate that went on between the blacks and whites in the southie region of Boston, cumulating into the busings (Hyde Park) riots 1974 and into 1975.
My Dad moved us out of Massachusetts and into rural Rhode Island before the riots started.
Reverend Wright, is a angry racist black man that is really only hurting himself in the end. I will say this, I am very grateful I don't have to visit his dreams at night of his childhood. Hangings, burnings, rapings, desegregation and the common practice of, "if your black use the other door". These connotations whites subjected blacks to, take centuries to over come as we can see.
Well, that is so long that it stops....

O'Bama was elected, "they", wanted him President. Move on. Who's "they", I would probably be killed if I knew.
Bush and his team outed Valerie Flame (CIA) and all the folks talking with her in pictures, they shamed John McCann and John Kerry's war records and Bush and his team never served actively, 1 fucking nano second, they tapped into phone conversations without prior AG, approval..and on and on.
Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Nixon, Ford, Eisinhower....the list goes on. If "they" want you to be President you will be President, bottom line.

"The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home".
Folks I have not one problem at all with this man, "Bill Ayers" or the fact that Obama has ties to him. One hope I have though is we never return to the bloody decade of 1963 -1975. It culminated in the National Guard assassinating 4 young adults at Kent State. Then we had 1968 Democratic Convention where you saw Vietnam Vets. in wheelchairs being hurling down steps by law enforcement, 2 Kenndys, Martin Luther King, Carpet Bombing civilians and troops that possessed no threat to the USA in Vietnam and Cambodia millions were slaughtered. (I stood 2 miles away from a 500lbs. bomb dropped and felt the noise and impact, the ground moved) now imagine 10,000 five hundred pound bombs being dropped all around your village. WTF.....
Bill was fighting against the "all powerful American Govt" and there hench men. I will not get into a long drawn out written speech about Bill Ayers but I will say this, he is just as American as are Revolutionary ancestors.
Folks should read a little about Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright.
O'bama is black, I say that he is black because he calls himself black. Just being black in this country will conjure up all kind of fears for white folk in this country.

Ya know what Frodie, I'd rather act foolish and elect a "Prince" who can be foolish at times then have a President for eight years who left us without a doubt that he was a "fool". Your assessment of O'Bama is as clouded as your assessment of your last foolish leader.
Buzz, still not sure what ax you have to grind against O'bama, his entire Presidency has been about putting out fires. Sorry he is not a expert at this. There has been very little time for initiatives to happen.
O"bama will no doubt probably be a one termer but you better be ready for your next choice, which starts next year in earnest.



None of that matters anymore. Obama won the election, why do his prior associations matter?
 

Of course it matters, everything concerning O'Bama matters at this point. His prior associations matter because it tells you a lot about his attitude, beliefs, ideals, his morality (not someone else, his), and last his convictions. This was not just about O'Bama becoming President it was more about the first, "Black President" of America or any western Government. The first black leader of a major super power. The ramifications of having the first black leader of America.
Stonewall it did not end with O'Bama becoming elected and I can only hope and pray it just got started.
I am under no illusion O'Bama is not part of the problem with America, I think with have approximatively 576 problems that need to be changed in Washington and they can take there health plans and retirement plans (that they gave themselves) with them.
I do believe though if we can elect a black president then we can definitely do other things just as controversial.


My point is, we knew this before the election. It was no secret. The Rev. Wright, we knew all this stuff. It's kind of late now to begin discussions about Obama's friends.

I did not vote for Obama, and did not even like Obama because he lied all through the campaign. Lied about his relationships, what they meant. And, the media did not push on these things. You could even be called a racist for even bringing these things up back then.

One thing that stifles speech is to call someone a racist. The other side hopes that will end debate and discussion. And, it worked to a certain extent especially in regard to Obama's mentor.

Another thing, Obama had no experience whatsoever. Had not even run a lemonade stand.

But, once he was elected I had hoped for America's sake that Obama would rise to the office. Unfortunately that did not happen.
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Re: A Concise Observation
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2010, 03:27:41 PM »
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Everyone wants to talk about O'bama's associations, well I will speak of two that I have no problem with.
 
The Reverend Wright, this I will say. If I was a young black boy growing up in southern Mississippi during the 30's and 40's and into the 50's then I would be able to understand Rev. Wrights anger at white people and the Govt. I am not black and I did not grow up in the south as a white boy. I did grow up in Boston as a young white Irish kid (50%Irish/50%German) from 1962 till 1972, anyone who grew up in Boston can relate to the bigotry and hate that went on between the blacks and whites in the southie region of Boston, cumulating into the busings (Hyde Park) riots 1974 and into 1975.
My Dad moved us out of Massachusetts and into rural Rhode Island before the riots started.
Reverend Wright, is a angry racist black man that is really only hurting himself in the end. I will say this, I am very grateful I don't have to visit his dreams at night of his childhood. Hangings, burnings, rapings, desegregation and the common practice of, "if your black use the other door". These connotations whites subjected blacks to, take centuries to over come as we can see.
Well, that is so long that it stops....

O'Bama was elected, "they", wanted him President. Move on. Who's "they", I would probably be killed if I knew.
Bush and his team outed Valerie Flame (CIA) and all the folks talking with her in pictures, they shamed John McCann and John Kerry's war records and Bush and his team never served actively, 1 fucking nano second, they tapped into phone conversations without prior AG, approval..and on and on.
Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Nixon, Ford, Eisinhower....the list goes on. If "they" want you to be President you will be President, bottom line.

"The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home".
Folks I have not one problem at all with this man, "Bill Ayers" or the fact that Obama has ties to him. One hope I have though is we never return to the bloody decade of 1963 -1975. It culminated in the National Guard assassinating 4 young adults at Kent State. Then we had 1968 Democratic Convention where you saw Vietnam Vets. in wheelchairs being hurling down steps by law enforcement, 2 Kenndys, Martin Luther King, Carpet Bombing civilians and troops that possessed no threat to the USA in Vietnam and Cambodia millions were slaughtered. (I stood 2 miles away from a 500lbs. bomb dropped and felt the noise and impact, the ground moved) now imagine 10,000 five hundred pound bombs being dropped all around your village. WTF.....
Bill was fighting against the "all powerful American Govt" and there hench men. I will not get into a long drawn out written speech about Bill Ayers but I will say this, he is just as American as are Revolutionary ancestors.
Folks should read a little about Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright.
O'bama is black, I say that he is black because he calls himself black. Just being black in this country will conjure up all kind of fears for white folk in this country.

Ya know what Frodie, I'd rather act foolish and elect a "Prince" who can be foolish at times then have a President for eight years who left us without a doubt that he was a "fool". Your assessment of O'Bama is as clouded as your assessment of your last foolish leader.
Buzz, still not sure what ax you have to grind against O'bama, his entire Presidency has been about putting out fires. Sorry he is not a expert at this. There has been very little time for initiatives to happen.
O"bama will no doubt probably be a one termer but you better be ready for your next choice, which starts next year in earnest.



None of that matters anymore. Obama won the election, why do his prior associations matter?
 

Of course it matters, everything concerning O'Bama matters at this point. His prior associations matter because it tells you a lot about his attitude, beliefs, ideals, his morality (not someone else, his), and last his convictions. This was not just about O'Bama becoming President it was more about the first, "Black President" of America or any western Government. The first black leader of a major super power. The ramifications of having the first black leader of America.
Stonewall it did not end with O'Bama becoming elected and I can only hope and pray it just got started.
I am under no illusion O'Bama is not part of the problem with America, I think with have approximatively 576 problems that need to be changed in Washington and they can take there health plans and retirement plans (that they gave themselves) with them.
I do believe though if we can elect a black president then we can definitely do other things just as controversial.


My point is, we knew this before the election. It was no secret. The Rev. Wright, we knew all this stuff. It's kind of late now to begin discussions about Obama's friends.

I did not vote for Obama, and did not even like Obama because he lied all through the campaign. Lied about his relationships, what they meant. And, the media did not push on these things. You could even be called a racist for even bringing these things up back then.

One thing that stifles speech is to call someone a racist. The other side hopes that will end debate and discussion. And, it worked to a certain extent especially in regard to Obama's mentor.

Another thing, Obama had no experience whatsoever. Had not even run a lemonade stand.

But, once he was elected I had hoped for America's sake that Obama would rise to the office. Unfortunately that did not happen.


Of course he lied and lied some more and three times on Sunday. Your right he never lived up to anything he said, could not run a lemonaid stand bla bla bla....
We could and should say this about every President going back 40 years, they all lie and say things they will never do and can not do for the sake of their party.
Jeesh Stonewall, you really think that OBama made the mold.
There are racist in this country so it does stunt conversation, your  white racist are slicker the ever today and your black racist say, "I'm black I can't be racist".
Obama is going to do for this country what others could not, shake up the white big business supreme, make them cow tow to a black man, (talk about humility). The white folk in this country have gotten so freaking lazy and stupid that we vote for Republicans and Democrats that screw us day in and day out.
I wanted something to change, Obama was the tool, now maybe we will get another person who will continue to change the M.O. of this country.
 
There are so many white cracker
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Re: A Concise Observation
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2010, 03:36:29 PM »
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=player_embedded

This is one of the many things I just can't get over. Can you imagine the media feeding frenzy that would have erupted if McCain or Palin had made such a comment? But most American's have no idea this ever happened. Most will tel you not to believe what you read on the internet if you tell them - not realizing it is a video clip of the man himself saying it.

But his gross ignorance is the least of my concerns. The Media giving him a pass on this - that is a major concern.
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