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What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Just to be clear, 8% is not a "rejection rate." It's the percentage of kids that they willingly accept and then later can't handle.
I also disagree that they lose money on these kids. They're clocking over $5k/month per kid and not even providing treatment. That's $5k or more per month for babysitting and/or locking up kids. So even if they pay some cromagnon staff member $25k/per year, they'd make out like a bandit even if they had to use one on one enforcement techniques.
Plus, you claim their budget numbers infer that the kids will be there 12-16 months, but even this crappy study shows they only average 8.6 months - almost no kids stay for the time Aspen wants them to stay.
They obviously know this, so it appears they're taking inappropriate placements to make up for losses.
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I call it "Rejection rate" and/or "fall out". I understand you disagree, and thats okay, but I see it as a loss. Anytime you take on a commitment for 8 months or 16 months (depending on the program) and the child stays less it is a loss and missed opportunity.
If for example they have an open bed and just want to fill it for a few months and take a parents money, well then that would not be a loss. But any business plan would reject this , they would want to contract , lay off some staff and moth ball the bed rather than fill it for a few weeks.. especially with a kid that doesn’t fit in and may be disruptive.
The ideal situation is to properly screen the children and parents for those who will fill a peer group and run the full time. This way they can predict their expenses and staff payroll.
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Troll Control:
That's funny. Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...
Mothball an empty bed? You're unhinged. The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs." I've heard this verbatim many times. Empty beds means empty accounts. That's definitley not how they operate.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The ideal situation is to properly screen the children and parents for those who will fill a peer group and run the full time.
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Unfortunately I've seen that this is not remotely true. They want the kids to be in a "forming" peer group as long as possible so they can tell the parents they haven't started the program yet and that it will be few extra months until they finish it.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---That's funny. Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...
Mothball an empty bed? You're unhinged. The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs." I've heard this verbatim many times. Empty beds means empty accounts. That's definitley not how they operate.
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Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently. This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.
I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group. They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---That's funny. Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...
Mothball an empty bed? You're unhinged. The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs." I've heard this verbatim many times. Empty beds means empty accounts. That's definitley not how they operate.
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Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently. This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.
I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group. They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.
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And, finally, once again, the truth comes out.
Now where would Whooter, "Just a regular parent with no ties to the TTI," have seen the internal screening processes and selection cycles of programs? How could he have been in the room when children were being evaluated, and seen the selection deliberations, I wonder?
Wow. Stunning admission there. You can hear him saying "It might have been that way in programs you worked for DJ, but not the ones I work for. Bravo.
Quoted For Truth, too. That closes that issue. Whooter admits working for programs.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---That's funny. Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...
Mothball an empty bed? You're unhinged. The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs." I've heard this verbatim many times. Empty beds means empty accounts. That's definitley not how they operate.
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Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently. This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.
I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group. They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.
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And, finally, once again, the truth comes out.
Now where would Whooter, "Just a regular parent with no ties to the TTI," have seen the internal screening processes and selection cycles of programs? How could he have been in the room when children were being evaluated, and seen the selection deliberations, I wonder?
Wow. Stunning admission there. You can hear him saying "It might have been that way in programs you worked for DJ, but not the ones I work for. Bravo.
Quoted For Truth, too. That closes that issue. Whooter admits working for programs.
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lol, Jeesh, DJ, you really do have a thing for this whole Aspen employee spin. I have explained this before. There were a few kids at SUWS with my daughter who didnt get into ASR. I spoke with the admissions director to ask if my daughter was accepted and how they determine this... long story short they dont accept kids if they dont think they will make the full term or have a history of violence etc. As it turns out the peer group my daughter was in moved forward with 2 people short (2 empty beds).
So I know first hand how their screening process works.
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