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What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
Troll Control:
Let me illustrate Whooter's big lie here real quick. He keeps claiming 60-80% success rates of "programs" in the Behrens work but those figures come from other researchers unaffiliated with Behrens or Aspen programs. Let's look at the facts, shall we?
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
--- End quote ---
Notice the researchers are Curry, Curtis, Epstein, Hair and Wells.
What did these people study?
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---One issue with this body
of literature pertains to the samples, which were drawn primarily from public residential
treatment programs (Curtis, Alexander, & Longhofer, 2001; Hair, 2005). Public residential
treatment clients are typically referred thru public avenues (juvenile justice system, child
protection agencies, or public mental health systems) (Curtis, et. al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair2005) and funded with public money
--- End quote ---
60-80% success rates are associated with publicly funded treatment where clients come from juvenile justice, child protection agencies and public mental health avenues. What these researchers studied has nothing whatsoever to do with the "parent choice TTI industry" of which Aspen Education is a part.
Whooter is intentionally lying to try to make this look like the data refer to Aspen programs which were studied by Behrens. He lost the argument, so now he just spam-trolls with blatant, provable lies. Behrens showed Aspen had only a 31% success rate. Whooter desperately wants to cover this up and conflate the studies.
What does that tell you about the data from Aspen programs which he is trying to hide? Hmmm....
Whooter:
lol, this study really gets to you. I am the only one supporting my posts with links.
Here lets take another look:
Combining these criteria, 78% of adolescent females
reported a change in symptoms that was consistent with recovery and reliable change.
The majority of male adolescents (66%) reported symptoms at
discharge that qualified them as “recovered” because their scores exceeded the cut-off score (raw
score 44). In other words, by the point of discharge the majority of males reported symptoms that
were more comparable to the normal population than to the clinical population.
So we can see 66 -78% success by this measurement alone.
I see this as consistent with the 60-80% success rates of Residential Treatments in previous studies.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
...
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Let me illustrate Whooter's big lie here real quick. He keeps claiming 60-80% success rates of "programs" in the Behrens work but those figures come from other researchers unaffiliated with Behrens or Aspen programs. Let's look at the facts, shall we?
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
--- End quote ---
Notice the researchers are Curry, Curtis, Epstein, Hair and Wells.
What did these people study?
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---One issue with this body
of literature pertains to the samples, which were drawn primarily from public residential
treatment programs (Curtis, Alexander, & Longhofer, 2001; Hair, 2005). Public residential
treatment clients are typically referred thru public avenues (juvenile justice system, child
protection agencies, or public mental health systems) (Curtis, et. al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair2005) and funded with public money
--- End quote ---
60-80% success rates are associated with publicly funded treatment where clients come from juvenile justice, child protection agencies and public mental health avenues. What these researchers studied has nothing whatsoever to do with the "parent choice TTI industry" of which Aspen Education is a part.
Whooter is intentionally lying to try to make this look like the data refer to Aspen programs which were studied by Behrens. He lost the argument, so now he just spam-trolls with blatant, provable lies. Behrens showed Aspen had only a 31% success rate. Whooter desperately wants to cover this up and conflate the studies.
What does that tell you about the data from Aspen programs which he is trying to hide? Hmmm....
--- End quote ---
I think everyone sees the lies you've been telling here and your credibility is so bad that everyone just now assumes you're making it all up and skip your posts.
Whooter:
lol, this study really gets to you. I am the only one supporting my posts with links.
Here lets take another look:
Combining these criteria, 78% of adolescent females
reported a change in symptoms that was consistent with recovery and reliable change.
The majority of male adolescents (66%) reported symptoms at
discharge that qualified them as “recovered” because their scores exceeded the cut-off score (raw
score 44). In other words, by the point of discharge the majority of males reported symptoms that
were more comparable to the normal population than to the clinical population.
So we can see 66 -78% success by this measurement alone.
I see this as consistent with the 60-80% success rates of Residential Treatments in previous studies.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
...
Eliscu2:
:rofl:
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