Fornits group think

[MorganMDC]

Gookin, you could have been kind enough to provide a link.

Thank you.

[SUCK IT]

Running away will only make things worse. I know, because I did it. The escape guides and all that posted on fornits are nothing but fantasy fiction. Not much can be done to keep parents from sending kids to treatment, especially from an internet forum. To release some of this frustration, people imagine and come up with exciting ways to escape programs, to fight their captors and/or manipulate their parents and staff to get released early, or to "prevent brainwashing". In the end, these actions will, in fact, only make things worse for the person listening to and acting on this advice.

If you run away, you will instantly prove that you needed to be there. Why? Because you are willing to risk your life despite the obvious consequences of being a teenager on the run in unknown territory with no help. This screams, "I don't care about my life". From the perspective of parents and programs, running away is your fastest ticket to a longer and more intense stay. I'd avoid it at all costs. When I tried, not only did I get punished and lost a lot of privileges I had been granted, but it made my parents and the program even more adamant that I stay and work on myself. So I would never suggest a kid run from a program. Double that when talking about a girl, especially one as young as 15. Being alone on the street is much more dangerous than being in a program, sorry but this is a fact.  You think programs are abusive? Wait till you meet some of the psychos on the street who will gladly "save you from the program", and then do God knows what.

I'm bothered by the bad information passed off here as advice. I probably wouldn't say anything if the advice was being directed at a 16, or 17 year old boy. Even then, it's dangerous. But a 15 year old girl? This advice to run away is suicidal. The fact the program being discussed has no history of abuse and not mentioned on fornits means something. There is a reason not one kid that went there has made a post on the internet about it being abusive, most likely it is not. Brainwashed can sound like a scary word to someone who never experienced programs. Fornits is adept at scare tactics, I'll give them that. But I went to supposedly one of the worst programs there are, and I was never brainwashed. I actually left feeling bitter. It took some maturity and time to figure out for myself how I truly felt long after the experienced had passed.

I think this advice being posted in fornits group think thread is not a coincidence. The way information can be distorted and adopted as truth here is shocking. Giving advice to a young teenage girl to run away from a program is simply bad advice, irresponsible and could result in tragedy. Would the people here feel bad if a young teenage kid followed the advice, and was hurt, kidnapped, or killed as a result? Or would it be another feather in their cap, a win, because at least the program didn't get them? I don't know what kind of games people are playing here, but sometimes it's downright dangerous.

The good thing is, most kids going to programs never find fornits. So they go into programs without preconceptions about how bad it is going to be, and get to experience it for what it is, not what they expect it to be. Although, imaging a program to be as evil as some here would suggest, only to arrive to find it filled with caring staff and friendly peers might give a sigh of relief to the person experiencing it, I suppose that is the silver lining to all of this.

Think about it. Where will you go if you run from a program? Will you hitchhike home? Will you stay on the lamb for three long years until an adult? Is it worth the chance that the person picking you up hitchhiking isn't dangerous and have ulterior motives for doing so? Speaking of numbers, it's a fact teenage runaways living on the street, particular young girls, have a much higher chance of being abused, exploited, raped or killed than in a treatment center with no history of abuse. This is common sense, like saying the sky is blue. Just because people on fornits are saying the sky is red, doesn't make it so.

It can be fun to try to live vicariously through teenagers today facing programs, and tell them advice we wished we might have followed ourselves. But doing so is irresponsible, and they, not we, have to live with the consequences of following such dangerous advice. I think everyone needs to take a step back and realize this is a 15 year old girl you are talking to. She is facing a treatment program that has no history of abuse. How many people giving this advice have spent nights as a runaway alone on the street? Do they really know what it's like? I have. I would never, in a million years, suggest that 15 year old girl runaway from a warm bed and safety, and their new friends. To do so would be irresponsible, and taking advantage of a young person's naivety  and ignorance to the dangers of the real world, and ignoring the fact that many programs are safe and effective.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

Except for these people.

And Tom Riley, who vanished from CALO in his grandmother's car and was, AFAIK, never seen again- at least not until after he turned 18.

And Jen Michael, who successfully got out of CALO and whose parents were actually sued by Ken Huey for not bringing her back.

And the three girls who beat their tormentor up with a frying pan and tied her up (not a joke!) before getting away in her car. This Moab, Utah program was run by two people, and they got out of it after that. :rofl:

And the kid who pretended to go along before beating a staffer's fucking face in with a toilet lid (Great weapon choice there!). Kid was pulled, staffer quit his job.

And a shitload of other examples I can't be arsed to mention.

Can you get your hands on something sharp? Something heavy and solid? Can you wait until their back is turned? Voila. You have a way out. Use it.

[Froderik]

Running away will only make things worse. I know, because I did it. The escape guides and all that posted on fornits are nothing but fantasy fiction. Not much can be done to keep parents from sending kids to treatment, especially from an internet forum. To release some of this frustration, people imagine and come up with exciting ways to escape programs, to fight their captors and/or manipulate their parents and staff to get released early, or to "prevent brainwashing". In the end, these actions will, in fact, only make things worse for the person listening to and acting on this advice.

If you run away, you will instantly prove that you needed to be there. Why? Because you are willing to risk your life despite the obvious consequences of being a teenager on the run in unknown territory with no help. This screams, "I don't care about my life". From the perspective of parents and programs, running away is your fastest ticket to a longer and more intense stay. I'd avoid it at all costs. When I tried, not only did I get punished and lost a lot of privileges I had been granted, but it made my parents and the program even more adamant that I stay and work on myself. So I would never suggest a kid run from a program. Double that when talking about a girl, especially one as young as 15. Being alone on the street is much more dangerous than being in a program, sorry but this is a fact.  You think programs are abusive? Wait till you meet some of the psychos on the street who will gladly "save you from the program", and then do God knows what.

I'm bothered by the bad information passed off here as advice. I probably wouldn't say anything if the advice was being directed at a 16, or 17 year old boy. Even then, it's dangerous. But a 15 year old girl? This advice to run away is suicidal. The fact the program being discussed has no history of abuse and not mentioned on fornits means something. There is a reason not one kid that went there has made a post on the internet about it being abusive, most likely it is not. Brainwashed can sound like a scary word to someone who never experienced programs. Fornits is adept at scare tactics, I'll give them that. But I went to supposedly one of the worst programs there are, and I was never brainwashed. I actually left feeling bitter. It took some maturity and time to figure out for myself how I truly felt long after the experienced had passed.

I think this advice being posted in fornits group think thread is not a coincidence. The way information can be distorted and adopted as truth here is shocking. Giving advice to a young teenage girl to run away from a program is simply bad advice, irresponsible and could result in tragedy. Would the people here feel bad if a young teenage kid followed the advice, and was hurt, kidnapped, or killed as a result? Or would it be another feather in their cap, a win, because at least the program didn't get them? I don't know what kind of games people are playing here, but sometimes it's downright dangerous.

The good thing is, most kids going to programs never find fornits. So they go into programs without preconceptions about how bad it is going to be, and get to experience it for what it is, not what they expect it to be. Although, imaging a program to be as evil as some here would suggest, only to arrive to find it filled with caring staff and friendly peers might give a sigh of relief to the person experiencing it, I suppose that is the silver lining to all of this.

Think about it. Where will you go if you run from a program? Will you hitchhike home? Will you stay on the lamb for three long years until an adult? Is it worth the chance that the person picking you up hitchhiking isn't dangerous and have ulterior motives for doing so? Speaking of numbers, it's a fact teenage runaways living on the street, particular young girls, have a much higher chance of being abused, exploited, raped or killed than in a treatment center with no history of abuse. This is common sense, like saying the sky is blue. Just because people on fornits are saying the sky is red, doesn't make it so.

It can be fun to try to live vicariously through teenagers today facing programs, and tell them advice we wished we might have followed ourselves. But doing so is irresponsible, and they, not we, have to live with the consequences of following such dangerous advice. I think everyone needs to take a step back and realize this is a 15 year old girl you are talking to. She is facing a treatment program that has no history of abuse. How many people giving this advice have spent nights as a runaway alone on the street? Do they really know what it's like? I have. I would never, in a million years, suggest that 15 year old girl runaway from a warm bed and safety, and their new friends. To do so would be irresponsible, and taking advantage of a young person's naivety  and ignorance to the dangers of the real world, and ignoring the fact that many programs are safe and effective.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit.

[DannyB II]

Pile, why you post here is beyond me and others. I will speak for everyone here who went through a program, STFU and go the fuck away. Your a complete idiot. Morgan is not listening to you and probably never will, you are being patronized, dumbass.
As far as giving Morgan advice along the lines of running away from anywhere at 15 yrs. old, just makes my blood curdle. Peeps, I don't like this either especially since we have gotten to know her parents a little but still lets be responsible. Act as if this was your daughter in a situation, would you ask her to run away with no one there to pick her up.
I can only hope we don't have crazy zealots willing to pick her up with pre-arranged plans because this would turn into a federal kidnapping charge quick. She is a minor and her parents would not have consented.

[Che Gookin]

Neither have the spirit guides consented....

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[MorganMDC]

Running away will only make things worse. I know, because I did it. The escape guides and all that posted on fornits are nothing but fantasy fiction. Not much can be done to keep parents from sending kids to treatment, especially from an internet forum. To release some of this frustration, people imagine and come up with exciting ways to escape programs, to fight their captors and/or manipulate their parents and staff to get released early, or to "prevent brainwashing". In the end, these actions will, in fact, only make things worse for the person listening to and acting on this advice.

If you run away, you will instantly prove that you needed to be there. Why? Because you are willing to risk your life despite the obvious consequences of being a teenager on the run in unknown territory with no help. This screams, "I don't care about my life". From the perspective of parents and programs, running away is your fastest ticket to a longer and more intense stay. I'd avoid it at all costs. When I tried, not only did I get punished and lost a lot of privileges I had been granted, but it made my parents and the program even more adamant that I stay and work on myself. So I would never suggest a kid run from a program. Double that when talking about a girl, especially one as young as 15. Being alone on the street is much more dangerous than being in a program, sorry but this is a fact.  You think programs are abusive? Wait till you meet some of the psychos on the street who will gladly "save you from the program", and then do God knows what.

I'm bothered by the bad information passed off here as advice. I probably wouldn't say anything if the advice was being directed at a 16, or 17 year old boy. Even then, it's dangerous. But a 15 year old girl? This advice to run away is suicidal. The fact the program being discussed has no history of abuse and not mentioned on fornits means something. There is a reason not one kid that went there has made a post on the internet about it being abusive, most likely it is not. Brainwashed can sound like a scary word to someone who never experienced programs. Fornits is adept at scare tactics, I'll give them that. But I went to supposedly one of the worst programs there are, and I was never brainwashed. I actually left feeling bitter. It took some maturity and time to figure out for myself how I truly felt long after the experienced had passed.

I think this advice being posted in fornits group think thread is not a coincidence. The way information can be distorted and adopted as truth here is shocking. Giving advice to a young teenage girl to run away from a program is simply bad advice, irresponsible and could result in tragedy. Would the people here feel bad if a young teenage kid followed the advice, and was hurt, kidnapped, or killed as a result? Or would it be another feather in their cap, a win, because at least the program didn't get them? I don't know what kind of games people are playing here, but sometimes it's downright dangerous.

The good thing is, most kids going to programs never find fornits. So they go into programs without preconceptions about how bad it is going to be, and get to experience it for what it is, not what they expect it to be. Although, imaging a program to be as evil as some here would suggest, only to arrive to find it filled with caring staff and friendly peers might give a sigh of relief to the person experiencing it, I suppose that is the silver lining to all of this.

Think about it. Where will you go if you run from a program? Will you hitchhike home? Will you stay on the lamb for three long years until an adult? Is it worth the chance that the person picking you up hitchhiking isn't dangerous and have ulterior motives for doing so? Speaking of numbers, it's a fact teenage runaways living on the street, particular young girls, have a much higher chance of being abused, exploited, raped or killed than in a treatment center with no history of abuse. This is common sense, like saying the sky is blue. Just because people on fornits are saying the sky is red, doesn't make it so.

It can be fun to try to live vicariously through teenagers today facing programs, and tell them advice we wished we might have followed ourselves. But doing so is irresponsible, and they, not we, have to live with the consequences of following such dangerous advice. I think everyone needs to take a step back and realize this is a 15 year old girl you are talking to. She is facing a treatment program that has no history of abuse. How many people giving this advice have spent nights as a runaway alone on the street? Do they really know what it's like? I have. I would never, in a million years, suggest that 15 year old girl runaway from a warm bed and safety, and their new friends. To do so would be irresponsible, and taking advantage of a young person's naivety  and ignorance to the dangers of the real world, and ignoring the fact that many programs are safe and effective.

Despite all the shit people throw at you, Thanks for this honest post.
It's the truth, most of it, anyway.

Pile, why you post here is beyond me and others. I will speak for everyone here who went through a program, STFU and go the fuck away. Your a complete idiot. Morgan is not listening to you and probably never will, you are being patronized, dumbass.
As far as giving Morgan advice along the lines of running away from anywhere at 15 yrs. old, just makes my blood curdle. Peeps, I don't like this either especially since we have gotten to know her parents a little but still lets be responsible. Act as if this was your daughter in a situation, would you ask her to run away with no one there to pick her up.
I can only hope we don't have crazy zealots willing to pick her up with pre-arranged plans because this would turn into a federal kidnapping charge quick. She is a minor and her parents would not have consented.

EXACTLY.

[Oscar]

The only optimal solution for Morgan is to either attend a normal boarding school which can match ambitions she have or live at relatives until her parents with the use of therapy has repaired the damaged relationship with Morgan.

Running away is not the answer in the US, because the authorities have decided to criminalize it. In Denmark where I live the police only locate the child so they can find out if the child is in danger. When the child is located it is up to the social services and the parents to bring them home. One of the more recent cases involves a boy and a girl who ran from a group home. The police knew where they were based on reports from people who have spotted them but they could not raid the particular home they suspected that the children was hiding in. When they finally returned the children to the group home some 2 months later it was revealed that the children had started a relationship with the children living at the house. The police is still thinking about raising charges against the parents of the children at the house. If there had not been children at the address they would have raided it. Interesting enough they returned when a local newspaper came into the case. What people don't do so they can be in the media.

Missing teens home again

[Che Gookin]

I wouldn't run away from home, because it is fairly possible that you'll end up in front of a very unsympathetic judge and probably be sent to the program anyway. Further, you'll only cement the spirit guides agreement that you need to be programized. You really don't want the spirit guides or your parents against you. However, once at the program you have to keep running for it as an option.

Most kids bullshit their way through the program. These are the torture lite programs as I like to call them. They are the bud lite style program that are piss weak in comparison to the old school abusive pits. The majority of their swing is in the subtle, or not so subtle, mental manipulations that they run you through to gain your passivity.  If you can bullshit your way through, if you can tolerate the time lost from the real world, and feel you can come out intact then give the bullshit option a whirl. Should the program prove to be an abusive pit, like so many have, then I seriously suggest running for it.

It is that or stay in an abusive hellhole.

Make your choice and live with it or not live at all as has happened to several kids in programs.